This forum will deal with a particular verse relevant to "Limited Atonement" or "Particular Redemption". Although all believe in a "Limited Atonement" (Limited either to its scope or efficacy), I will present the "Calvinist" view from scripture. While it is important to discuss the Nature (Penal, Substitutionary) and Purpose (Redemption of God's People, Eph. 5:25), I want to focus on a particular verse that clearly teaches a particular group was intended in the atonement. In John 10:15 the Bible reads: 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. Jesus says that He lays His life down for the "sheep". Who are the "sheep"? Is it each and every individual without exception? Lets see: Jesus Then says in verse 26: 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep... Conclusion- Jesus said that He lays down His life for a particular group (the sheep) and then in the same chapter tells some that they are not of His sheep. Arminians, How can this be given your view that He lays His life down for each and every individual without distinction? P.S. I am not looking for a string of proof texts, if you have some please start a forum on paticular passages. Please comment what you think Jesus is saying here in this chapter.