John Hagee has been accused falsely

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  1. LadyEagle

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    From time to time he is slandered on this board by his enemies who accuse him of saying Jews can be saved by some other way than the blood of Jesus Christ.

    Well I just NOW heard him preach and he just preached "the only way anyone can be saved is through the precious blood of Jesus! It's not the blood of animals, it's not the blood of the apostles, it's not the blood shed for freedom in wars, there is no other blood, no other way of salvation than the precious blood of Jesus."

    I have heard him preach before and never heard him preach a false gospel. I wanted to hear him again to see if the rumor mongers are right about him. Well, they lie.

    He is preaching a series on the 7 feasts of Israel. I just wanted to set the record straight. He has been falsely accused and maligned on this board. How this must grieve the Holy Spirit. It must be jealousy or some deep character or spiritual flaw. And it is wrong to accuse someone falsely.

    What a shame. [​IMG]
     
  2. mozier

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    There are a lot of Liberals on this board who will slander anyone who stands up for America or the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    So much for "Baptist Board." :rolleyes:


    mozier [​IMG]
     
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    It is not slander. It is not always what Hagee says but what he doesn't say he believes regarding the Jews. John Hagee does believe in 2 plans of salvation. CRI which tracks cultic teachings that enter into Evangelical Christianity has a article on him as well as other sites that quote Hagee himself. I think Hagee has been open that this is what he believes though he is muted about it on TV.

    http://www.equip.org/free/DH005.htm


    http://www.geocities.com/asterisktom/hagee.html


    http://www.pfo.org/jonhagee.htm

    http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h31.html
     
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    i looked at one of hagees magazines and i found that he has developed a salvation presentation on cd it all ends with the idea that a persons ability to make a decision for his own destination for eternity by being directed to a prayer and altar call.
    my question is what is wrong with the new testaments way of salvation by one hearing the gospel and believing on Jesus?
    it seems that hagee is more of a free will baptist in that respect. if he is a Christian or not i am not sure, if hagee is a Christian then he is obviously in error on doctrine and teaching.
     
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    Back before Desert Storm - the Iraq war of George H.W. Bush - I heard John Hagee preach a message on what would happen to America during that war.

    It was a good message - I paid attention to it the entire time - but he was 100% wrong. The USA did not suffer a devestating defeat as he claimed that they would - instead the USA and allies - whooped the enemy soundly - howbeit they did not finish the job.

    What I learned from that lesson - stick to the Word and God and don't try to make the USA fit in prophecy - because you really have to strain to find her there!

    Dan - for what it's worth!
     
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    <a href="http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h31.html" target="_blank">[/URL]



    </a> Pointing out ones biblical errors is not slander, if it is many in the bible are giulty of slander, and God commands us to do it.
     
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    http://www.jhm.org/beliefs.asp
    http://www.jhm.org/support-israel.asp
     
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    We on the board are often quick to label someone we don't necessarily like or agree with as a false prophet. It's a problem that's way too common, that has made me nearly leave the board on several occaisions. It's almost gotten to the point where, if someone's called a "false prophet" or "wolf in sheep's clothing" on this board, they're probably doing something right. :eek: The term is used to much on this board, that when there really is a false prophet, we sould like little more than boys crying wolf. As for me, I'm spiritually mature enough to differentiate between a message I dislike or disagree with, and a message that's "false".

    As for the topic, I don't know too much about John Hagee, but from what I've seen, he's perfectly fine. He's a little too charismatic for my tastes, but everyone's tastes are different. He appears to to be well versed and knoledgeable. May God bless him for using his spiritual gifts.
     
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  10. Johnv

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    Well, I disagree with John Hagee's interpretations regarding Israel. But does that make him a false prophet? No. From what I can tell he's a perfectly good preacher, doing what he's been called to do.

    As I said earlier, disagreeing with a preacher doesn't make that person a bad preacher, or less of a man of God, to say nothing of the "false prophet" arguement.

    The man's fine. Leave him alone. If we want to discuss something he espouses, that's one thing. But for the rest, let him do the work he's been called to do, to the best of his human ability.
     
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    I did not reword his quotes, I have better things to do.
    So you agree that Jews have a free ride and that the O.T. covenant is still in effect and they don't need the new coventant of the N.T.(Jesus)? Huhh, odd. Not biblical either.
    yep, I'm disgustred too that anyone would believe that garbage, made up, not biblical junk.

     
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    If everyone who espoused a different scriptural interpretation than me was a false prophet, then everyone would be a false prophet. No, sorry, I disagree with the man, but I don't think he's a false prophet. He believes in his interpretation, and he appears to provide scriptural support. That doesn't mean he's a false prophet, it means I disagree with his scriptural conclusion.
     
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    Hagee has not been able to shake the dual salvation label that had followed him for years. Very much the same way TD Jakes has not been able to convince everyone he is not still a follower of the oneness-holiness theology. I don't care for Hagee and after reading some of his books listening to his presentation of Revelation I like him even less. He may say he doesn't teach dual salvation, but if you follow his teaching out to their logical conclusions, that is where they end up. If it talks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck what your dealing with here is a duck!

    See what happens when you chop the bible up into seven little bits and then try to stick it back together in the end...it just doesn't work that way. You end up with bad theology.
     
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    Genesis 12:3 is a promise to ABRAHAM, not Jews. Please professor, turn out the light, I enjoy the dark.

    Hagee is an idiot. Very hard to believe he has a following.
     
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    John, so I guess in your estimation anyone can say they beleive anything about the bible and as long as they sincerly beleive it then it's ok, nothing false there? No, sorry doesn't hold weight with scripture itself.
     
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    No, I'm saying that if a person can support something by scriptural interpretation, then they're not automatically a false prophet. I think John Hagee is mistaken, but I don't think he's a false prophet. He does have scriptural evidence, but his conclusions are, imo, incorrect. A false prophet would be one who ntentionally twits scripture to fit their own agenda. This is not what John Hagee is doing. He sincerely believes what he's teaching is scripturally correct. He's not lying, twisting, or decieving. He's, imo, mistaken, but he's not being deceiving.

    Case in point: Many here on this board assert scriptural support that women cannot be pastors, even though the scriptural support they use is taken out of context. Does that mean that, if someone says women can't be preachers, they're being a false prophet in my eyes, or that, if I say women CAN be preachers, I'm a false prophet in their eyes? No, not at all. Otherwise, the SBC would be a false prophet for forbidding women preachers.
     
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    Kinda like labeling someone anti-semetic because they don't agree with you on eschatology.
    Yes Mr. Hagee, I know how you feel.
     
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    I've listened to John Hagee preach on TV over the years.

    I stopped listening to his preaching a couple of years ago after I heard him refer to Mary as "the mother of God" on several different occasions.

    The first time, I thought he mispoke.

    The second time I figured he must be using the phrase on purpose.

    He is too familiar with the scriptures to believe that the "mother of God" heresy is scriptural.

    Anyone have any idea why John Hagee would refer to Mary as "the mother of God"?
     
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    Haggee's a false teacher. Christians have no business listening to him.

    I also find it a little difficult to take him seriously when he weighs over 300 lbs and goes on his show selling diet programs but that's another story.
     
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    Johnv,
    I mean no disrespect to you. I tend to agree with alot of your posts but on this, I have to chime in.

    In the case of Hagee, and many others IMO, they have been told what they are teaching is not in accordance of scripture, yet they go on saying the same thing. I agree, that alone does not make a false teacher.
    So then, that is when I ask myself two questions.
    1. Is what they are saying "false"?
    2. Are they "teaching" what they are saying that is false?
     

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