Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘Mental Disorder;' Sex Change ‘Biologically Impossible’

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    Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.

    Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recentcommentary in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.

    He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people. Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”

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    Not something that the church needs to start saying. I personally would distance myself from his stance because frankly, it creates an added barrier in reaching people for Christ.

    Is there REALLY a difference between a person going through surgery to, i.e. for a guy, to add breasts and other female parts as opposed to a born as a female person getting breast enlargement, butt enlargement, a nose job or any unneeded cosmetic surgery?

    Perhaps this is why they must go through a lot of evaluation before surgery for transgendered and for folks who just want cosmetic surgery.
     
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    Of course.
     
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    Zaac I would have to say I disagree with your points you have made, although I think I understand why you are saying them.

    You mentioned that it would create a barrier to reaching folks for Christ, but is that really true. This group is part of an organized attack on religion, or anyone who dares to question their perversions. Turning our backs on them just opens the door to more restrictions on Christians, and more barriers to reaching the lost.

    The question you bring up trying to compare sex mutilation surgery to elective cosmetic surgery. Of course there is a difference. The sexually confused person is trying to re-do something which is more than just having parts cut off, and adding new ones to correct the mistake they are insisting God made.

    Cosmetic surgery is not something I am crazy about either, but their is a big difference in someone wanting to touch up something. It may be totally vain, but the person isn't trying to change their sex.
    I don't think there is much the two have in common. One says that God is wrong, the other, that they think He could have done better, or vanity of showing their age.

    It doesn't matter how much evaluation they go through, born male, always a male, born female, always a female.
     
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    Its the Christian version of propaganda. Whenever a Christian does not like something these days they say" believing and saying that will interfere with people coming to Christ. There is never any evidence for it because it is not based on that. It is, like all propaganda, based on pure emotion.
     
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    There's plenty of evidence of it . And it's called Scripture. Try reading it.

    Folks like you just always ignore it because you lack empathy for anyone who isn't like ya. Nothing new here. Gay folks say it all the time that they don't have a problem with God. They have a problem with the mean, nasty, unloving folks who say they are His followers.

    So just like all the other sins that some political conservatives commit where they stick their heads in the sand and pretend like they have no culpability, God will hold ya responsible for the lack of love and empathy that turns others away from Him instead of towards them.
     
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    You're too kind, Rev. Zaac is lying. I don't believe for a moment he cares about "people coming to Christ." He cares about politics and puts on this little pious act to hallow Sodom.
     
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    Be cool bro!

    They're lying.

    All the lost are at enmity with God and hate the God of Scripture.
     
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    Todd Friel mentioned this site on one of his programs:

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    You don't think that telling a group of folks that they have a mental disorder wouldn't create an added barrier for sharing the Gospel with them?O O

    I think it's an attack on God, not religion. These are broken people trying to deal with their brokenness. Some folks use drugs. Some use work. Some use sex. They have chosen to "change their gender".

    Why again would we, the church, who already have a difficult enough time as it is communicating with the LGBTLMNOP or whatever they are today community, want to start the conversation with the perception that we think you have a mental disorder? There's a history in the gay community already of reparative therapy and folks thinking being gay was a mental disorder.

    And like with being gay, if we start off telling them they have got a mental disorder, we're essentially telling them that if we fix your mind, you'll be okay. Their minds aren't the problem. This is spiritual and it should be dealt with by the church in a spiritual manner.

    I'm not sure that I understand what you're saying here.

    That's the same thing that the lady who doesn't like her Jewish nose is trying to do.

    Medically they consider reassignment surgery to be right in there with a woman getting her breasts enlarged. It's aesthetic,plastic and reconstructive and they are all grouped together medically.

    Seriously?Sneaky You don't think that there are folks who want reassignment surgery who don't think that God could have done better, or again, some lady with a big nose thinking God got it wrong giving her that nose?

    It's all reconstructive.

    I agree.Thumbsup
     
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    Number 1, I don't think we can say that someone is lost just because they are LGBT. Identifying as such doesn't mean they are committing the homosexual offense.

    Number 2, if I believe that someone is at enmity with God, why again, would I as a person called to make disciples stake my tent in the camp that says we believe you have a mental disorder? It immediately kills any chance for a conversation or relationship whereby I can share the Gospel with them. And it also gives the impression that the church, if they adopt this POV, think they are doing this because of their minds. And that if they get their minds right, all will be well.

    That's contrary to the way of Christ. The heart needs to be changed. So why would the church in adopting this POV, want to give them any reason to believe that the fix is anything but Jesus?
     
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    I personally don't think it's a mental disorder. I think it's a sin disorder. Much like calling alcoholism a disease. If we call it a mental disorder, we are granting that it is caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain, and this takes away the sin from it. Essentially, we wouldn't blame a mentally retarded person for stealing something when they didn't know it was wrong; and by the same token, if gender identity becomes a disorder (and we truly believe that) then they can't be held accountable for their sin of mutilation, homosexuality, etc.

    Long story short, saying it is a mental disorder gives them power while trying to take the power away.
     
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    I think even calling alcoholism a disease, we do not take away the responsibility at all but instead identify that there are sometimes chemical causes for our sin as well. We could say a very angry person who has brain changes would also have a disease but we don't just accept the angry outbursts. In the same way, I think understanding that there MAY be a hormonal or chemical cause for this disorder is identifying it's more complex issues and the fact that stopping same sex attraction is no easier than stopping inbred anger. It CAN be overcome but it cannot just be stopped.
     
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    The fall caused 'mental disorders' and that doesn't excuse away the person for sinning.
     
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    that was my point too.
     
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    Hope he saved his money. He will be targeted next by Omuslim and his band of "tolerant" friends.

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