Judgement Seat of Christ

Rest is the picture
of the physical millennial kingdom
not ethernal life.

Thank you, I'll change my FIVE JUDGEMENTS
entry to:

2. Judgement Seat of Christ
WHO: Believers for works
WHEN: during the Great Tribulation on earth;
Right after the Rapture/Resurrection that starts
the Tribulation
WHERE: Heaven
WHY: to assign rewards (including
the Millinnial Kingdom rest)
to the redeemed for their good works
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: found innocent by the Bood of Jesus

 

Ed,

Please prove me verse to support your comment.

Also, please show us verses to prove your 5 resurrections.

The resurrection shall not be occur till AT THE LAST DAY - John 6:39,40,44,& 54. Obivously these are speak of the only ONE physical resurrection day at Christ's coming, not 5 resurrection events.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

Ed, you edited from 'resurrection' to 'judgment', oh well.

Anyway, PLEASE show us verses to prove your comment.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

I refer to the
third post on page 2 of this topic.
It is called "FIVE JUDGEMENTS".
I also have summaries called FIVE RESURRECTIONS
and FIVE TRILBULATIONS.
These summaries are all pretibulation
using the same exact scriptures you are
aware of and use to prove your eschatology.
It isn't like we are going to be making
up new verses, you know.
You don't accept the verses i've presented
as meaning what i think they mean
so i'm in no hurry to list them.
They are verses from the Bible. You have
a Bible, yes?

1/3 of the Bible is prophetic.
It is going to take awhile to get to all
those verses. You will probably silgn"to complex" all the way

Anyway, this topic is about the Judgement
Seat of Christ.

Which part of the following do you
not agree with? Please show scripture.
Thank you.

2. Judgement Seat of Christ
WHO: Believers for works
WHEN: during the Great Tribulation on earth;
Right after the Rapture/Resurrection that starts
the Tribulation
WHERE: Heaven
WHY: to assign rewards (including
the Millinnial Kingdom rest)
to the redeemed for their good works
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: found innocent by the Bood of Jesus

 

I would be HAPPY TO show you verses. But, you still not show us verses to support your logical of 5 different judgements or 5 tribulations. I am still wait for you.

By the way, there is no difference between 5 types of tribulations. All are same definitions in Lord's sight.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

Again, this topic
is about the Judgement Seat of Christ.

 

Yes, I am focus and discuss on that same topic. You yet not show us prove verses to support your logical of 5 judgments. Brumleyj, and I are waiting for you to show us verses to prove support 5 judgments, please.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

Romans 14:10-13 (KJV1769):

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set
at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before
the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee
shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more:
but judge this rather, that no man put
a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

While talking specifically about the Judgement Seat of Christ,
this passage of Paul then speaks of judgement in general.
Judgement is sure and true. You will be judged.

2 Co 5:10 (KJV1769):

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every
one may receive the things done in his body, according to that
he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Notice "we", Paul is speaking of we Christians.
We are responsible before Christ for all we go whether
it be good or bad.

Colossians 3:13 (HCSB)

accepting one another and forgiving one another
if anyone has a complaint against another.
Just as the Lord has forgiven you, so also you must forgive.

If then we are forgiven of all sins, how can we
be having bad deeds before Christ.
Hense i believe that at the Judgement Seat of Christ,
there will be no sins to punish, only rewards to assign.

 

ummm, Ed?
You stop short of the context of Paul's comment in 2 Cor. 5 and then make your statement that ONLY rewards will be given out at the JOC? Read on good fellow. 2 Cor 5:11, "Knowing therefore the TERROR of the Lord, we persuade men...etc."
Now the logical question arises. IF only rewards are given out then WHY would Paul remind Christians of the TERROR of the Lord? Hmmm? No amount of justification will do here. Why would he tell us of the terror of the Lord if ONLY rewards are given out at that time? Don't offer up any junk about LOSS of rewards being the TERROR mentioned here. That won't do and it will NOT motivate lazy christians to be more faithful, gracious, forgiving, and obedient. What is this terror we should be aware of in the context of our WORKS as christians? Simply put it is the terror of a displeased Father with His children and the NECCESSARY punishment. Not the revocation of their relationship to Him but precisely BECAUSE of that relationship must He, as any good father, correct and punish unacceptable behavior.
As to your point about our sins being forgiven, I agree. However you cannot stop there. For, although your sins are forgiven, God's law of reaping and sowing is not suspended. Simple example would be the divorced folks who REAP abundant consequences for their sin but the SIN is still forgiven. Forgiven, yes, exempt from consequences, no.
Something to seriously consider, my brother.
Jim

 

Amen brother Jim! Also note the verse before:

9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Obviously, the implication of verse nine is that we might NOT be accepted.

 

Bro. Bart;
May I call you Bart or do you prefer Bartholomew?
You make a good point.
In the ENTIRE context, we go from labour to being accepted of Him,(or NOT accepted) to judgement, to RECEIVING THE THINGS done IN HIS BODY according to the which he hath DONE. Then we are REMINDED of the terror of the Lord.
Only extreme mental gymnastics can miss the implication here that the possibility of being REJECTED because of misdeeds or unfaithfulness or some other unacceptable behavior, is very real for the CHRISTIAN.
The context is clear. This passage has nothing to do with eternal salvation. You CANNOT find salvation in this passage. This is addressed to those who are ALREADY eternally saved. Therefore it is not about losing salvation but "being found naked" 1 Cor.5:3
What is this 'nakedness'? It is being clothed or unclothed with righteouesness as pertaining to our WALK WITH THE LORD. Not eternal salvation but salvation FROM punishment for 'the deeds done in this body' AFTER salvation.
Jim
p.s. Dr. Bob.
The atonement of Christ was is and forever shall be complete for redemption from sin. But are you going to tell me that God will reward the faithful in this life AND the next but punish the unfaithful in this life ONLY? Be careful good Dr., THAT borders on license.

 

Hi Bro. Jim,

Sure you can call me Bart. I think you're spot on with what you're saying about the judgememnt seat. If more people preached it like you did then I think Christians might actually wake up!

P.S. Good point about rewards.

 

Still waiting for Ed to reply....Might have a long wait....I agree with you Ed. The judgement seat of Christ IS a judgement seperate from the other 4 judgements revealed in Scripture. But you make it sound as if it is a birthday pary. Gifts, gifts and more gifts. This is hardly judgement.
One must remember, that judgement BEGINS at the house of God.
Jim

 

Is Matt. 25:14-30 relate or refer to the judgment seat of Christ?

Tonight, I will discuss on this more.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

DeafPosttrib;
YES! This is exactly what Jesus is talking about.
Notice in vs.14, the "Man" called his OWN servants and delivered them his goods.
The passage goes on to describe what those SERVANTS did with what was bestowed unto them. And finally in vs. 30 we see what will happen to the unprofitable servant.
This passage alone should be enough to motivate LAZY christians into serving the Master, but alas, this TRUTH is not preached enough or it is RE-INTERPRETED to mean what they want it to mean and it gives christians the FALSE hope that only rewards are given out at the Judgement Seat of Christ.
Jim

 

We will not be judged for our salvation. For there is NO CONDEMNATION to those who are in Christ Jesus.Rom 8:1. We have been justified by(greek;through) faith)Rom 3:26.So our salvation has already been settled in heaven for the believer.

But our position in heaven or rewards are a different matter. Christ repeatedly states in Revelation that he is bringing his rewards with him to his bride at his return. What reward will you and I receive? What have we accomplished for Christ? Have we been faithful? Have we had opportunities to share our faith with others and really done so? Have we given to the poor and needy? And how do we treat our neighbor?

All these positive things done for the glory and love of Christ will be noted. But ALSO your DISOBEDIENCE as well. Have you been a Faithful servant? Have you willfully been immoral or cruel to those around you? Paul says in II Cor we shall ALL stand before the judgment seat of Christ to give an account of the things done in this life whether GOOD OR BAD.

For those who die previous to the bodily resurrection, and pass through the light to heaven, will stand before Christ and our life will be reviewed before our eyes and he will point out our deeds then. I hope this has helped you. God Bless.

 

Ronald says: "Christ repeatedly states in Revelation
that he is bringing his rewards with him to his bride at his return"

The Bible says in Revelation 22:12 (nKJV):
And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward
is with Me, to give to every one according
to his work.

Isn't that what i said, when Jesus comes He will pass
out rewards to his saints? This happens prior to
the Tribulation period (the coming of Jesus to get
His saints, the award ceremony is in heaven and
is the Judgement Seat of Christ).

 

Ummmmm Ed?
Read it all. "To give to every one according to his work"
The implication is clear. If you get "according to your work" then it follows that if your work is bad, you will receive bad things.
But and if, your work is good then you will receive good things.
This is exactly what Paul says in 2 Cor 5.
Paul wrote this long before Jesus revealed the Revelation to John. Jesus here confirms the truth that Paul was preaching. We will receive good or bad, according to our WORKS.
So we see that Jesus preached this in Matthew, Paul preached it in 2 Cor. and then John is effectively preaching it in Rev. 22.
Does anyone besides me see a pattern and continuity here?
Jim

 

Knowing in advance your objection,
i posted at 10:48PM EST on 5 Sept 2004
on page two of this topic an
exhaustive summary of the Judgement Seat
of Christ compared to other
judgments. This is all Biblical based
and is a summary of years of study.
I wrote it before you asked.

Have you made the judgement #1 that
will allow you to be judged at
judgement #3 instead of judgement #5
or going into the tribulation period
judgements #3 and #4?

Hello, when you get to the Judgement
Seat of Christ, you have no bad
deeds on your record. Those sins are
covered by the blood of Jesus and GONE.
Only good works are left. You will be
judged at the Judgement Seat of Christ
for your good works only. It is a rewards
ceremony in Heaven. It is to be looked
forward to, it is a good thing: the Judgement
Seat of Christ.

 

Ed

I believe you miss the point of Paul's words. First, he was writing this to the CHRISTIANS at Corinth. Secondly, he said we ALL must give an account of the things we have done in the body whether good or BAD. The "things" Paul speaks of here are our works stemming from our faith or walk in Christ. Or service to our Lord. Christ will award his servants by their faithfulness in obedience and they shall either receive a reward or NONE.

Also, the "things" done IN THE BODY are the works we do while we exist in this human body while we are alive. Just because we are Christians does not mean God now winks at WILLFUL sin and disobedience. He expects MORE from his children, for that is why we are saved. We are saved UNTO GOOD WORKS. Eph 2:10. How can a Christian call Jesus his Lord and not obey him? It is one thing to receive Christ as Savior, but Jesus must also become the LORD of our life as well.