Just some food for thought.

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  1. Plain Old Bill

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    Subject: Amazing Rules . .


    If you have the ten commandments in your courtroom, you lose your job?
    You rip a page out of the Koran, you lose your job?

    If you burn the US Flag, it is freedom of speech but if you desecrate
    the Koran it is criminal.

    If a crime is committed to a minority, it is a HATE crime requiring
    harsher sentencing. However if 19 people murder 3000, you need to learn
    to understand them and it really wasn't their fault?

    If you decapitate a US contractor who is trying to rebuild your country,
    it is troubling. If you humiliate a detainee who is intent on killing
    you, it is criminal and you should go to jail?

    A teacher can discuss the Muslim religion and the Koran in public
    schools to promote understanding but that same teacher will be fired if
    she/he discusses Christianity??

    Whatta Country!
     
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    1. It is not criminal to desecrate the Koran. Where'd you get this?

    2. Who said it wasn't the fault of the 19 hijackers? I have heard no one say this except you, here.

    3. Decapitation by insurgents is evil, however it has nothing to do with treating prisoners humanely.

    4. Teachers can discuss Christianity and Islam in the same context in a public school, but cannot proselytize either, nor any other religion. Private schools are a different matter.

    5. Yes, whatta country. I LOVE IT!
     
  3. OCC

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    PlainOldBill: Any evil that exists...expect it. It happens when you live in a sinful country, and yes, sinful world. Deal with it.
     
  4. Daisy

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    Amazing Distortions...

    Short answer, no.

    Broken down: it isn't "your" courtroom, it belongs to the people, who are not all Protestant (the most common version of the 10 Cs displayed), Jewish or Catholic. US courtrooms are supposed to uphold the law, not the religion; so far, we do not have shariia. A judge who openly defies the law he has sworn to uphold should lose his job.

    As MP asked, when has this happened?

    That's not accurate. Burning the US Flag is still the proper means of disposal of a torn, tattered or dirty flag -- but a person is still allowed to think evil thoughts or make unpatriotic remarks while doing it, then, yes, that is freedom of thought and speech.

    Where is the law that makes desecration of any Holy Book (holy to its adherentsA) a crime?

    Well, again, very inaccurate. The hate law crimes don't specify that the victim be a minority, but it happens that they often are and that those are the one the newspapers publicize.

    The 19 people, being dead themselves, are beyond the reach of the law. If you choose to not understand what makes a person do such a thing, the law allows it.

    The contractors who were decapitated were mercenaries, hired guns, killers. They were not electricians, plumbers or construction workers. Of any of the invaders, they seem to me the least innocent and the most appropriate target.

    If your definition of humiliate includes shackling an inmate ankles to wrists for days at a time so they marinate in their own waste, yes. The law applies to the jailers as well as the jailed.

    If Christianity is being discussed in the context of understanding, then no.

    I like it!
     
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    Daisy writes:

    The contractors who were decapitated were mercenaries, hired guns, killers. They were not electricians, plumbers or construction workers. Of any of the invaders, they seem to me the least innocent and the most appropriate target.
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    Daisy,
    Do you have a source or a link to back up this claim? I myself dont believe anyone should be an "appropriate target" for this most cowardly and brutal form of execution. But I guess it is better than being shackled for a few days.
     
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    or having the a/c turned on and off. terrible. I would like to see the source and link too.
     
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    Muslims want to make it a criminal offense.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006789.php
    </font>[/QUOTE]So let 'em. We have Christ.
     
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    The point was it is sooo easy to beat up America and beat up those who are trying to do the right thing,while we overlook others regardless of what they do.I think this is taking tolerance and political correctness a little far.
    After all what better sport is there then kicking our country in the teeth,Micheal Moore in his totally untrue documntaries makes a living doing this,many hollywood actors are following him around amening his lies and distortions.Our news media has kept thier whole industry afloat beating up our country for a long as I can remember.Our way left leaning politicians don't help much either.
    Now I'm not saying our country is perfect and above any critism but it would be okay to cut our side a little slack once in a while. I also know it would be a unique idea but we could notice some of the atrocities of our enemies. While it is good to respect others it is also good to respect our country too.
     
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    I didn't know Nick Berg was a mercenary. :eek:
     
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    We whine about they way the world treats us. They are doing what the lost does. The Bible teaches that we will be tested and persecuted here on earth. Count it all joy.

    The best way to make a difference is one soul at a time. Then legislation would be a mute point. We gotta be the salt of the earth. We gotta show the world Jesus thru our lives and action. Jesus just kept on his path and made a difference where ever He went. We need to do the same and render ounto ceaser what is his. Jesus never whined, He changed lives. He still wants to today. We jus gotta rto let Him work thru us.
     
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    If you decapitate a US contractor who is trying to rebuild your country, it is troubling.
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    The contractors who were decapitated were mercenaries, hired guns, killers. They were not electricians, plumbers or construction workers. Of any of the invaders, they seem to me the least innocent and the most appropriate target.


    I am truly floored by this statement . Not only is it untrue, it's totally uncaring.


    Nicholas Berg was working in Iraq as an independent businessman fixing communication antennas.

    AND

    Two American citizens working in Baghdad, Jack Hensley and Eugene Armstrong, were beheaded last week at the hands of a terrorist group demanding the release of female Iraqi prisoners. The terrorist group, One God and Jihad, is led by Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Immediately following the killings, videos of the beheadings were released on the Internet.

    The Americans were captured along with a British hostage, Kenneth Bigley. Last Wednesday, Bigley was shown in another video asking British Prime Minister Tony Blair to save his life. Currently, authorities are uncertain as to whether Bigley is alive or dead.

    All three men were working for the reconstruction effort in Iraq when they were captured during an early-morning forced entry in their home in central Baghdad on Sept. 16.


    There is no indication at all that they were "hired guns" or "killers".

    You shocked and surprised me, Daisy.
     
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    Carpro,

    It doesn't shock me at all. Typical liberal garbage.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Daisy's comments about contractors was wrong and offensive. She is a perfect example of what is wrong with the left and our political system in general. It seems OK to people when they lie to further their own political agenda. The truth is unimportant if it isn't going to further their cause.

    Simply put, the people being beheaded were not "hired guns". Believe it or not, our military is quite capable of doing what needs to be done. They are much more qualified and prepared the men that have been beheaded.
     
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    Daisy,

    Your comments about the contractors is extremely inaccurate. These were men trying to support their families, and willing to work in hostile countries to do that. They are no more mercenaries than you are.
     
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    Agreed. Those types of comments can be found on Islamofascist web sites. They are nothing more than blatant lies. :mad:
     
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    About Nick Berg from a high school friend named Liz Johnson -
    There are so many stories about Nick that I hardly know where to start. My high school friends have told many, and they illustrate the kind of person Nick was. Hugely confident, never afraid -- that was Nick. I knew him for ten years, and I can honestly say I have never known anyone like him. I could talk about his yeast colony in middle school and how he named it. I could talk about musicals, crazy times and wild ideas. I could talk about Mr. Walker's calc class, our physics labs or watching him drive various and sundry English teachers crazy with all kinds of wayward, yet brilliant, thoughts. But the Nick I knew was the one with eyes so blue it seemed they could see forever. He had infinite tenderness and compassion, and it was one of the great honors of my life to know him. He was the first boy to ever bring me flowers (before opening night of Oliver at Pierce, for those of you who remember). They were three white roses, wrapped in a paper towel dripping with water...and they were the best flowers I ever got. I would urge everyone to remeber his ready humor, his unfailing smile, his sheer brilliance. And much like John, I would say that when the media coverage ends, all we will be left with are our memories. And for those who knew him, what rich memories they are.

    From another friend of his named Jeffrey Baker - Nick always impressed me with his optimism and his kindness - he was someone who was fair and decent to all, regardless of social politics or the concern for issues of "popularity" that consumed so many people during high school. At Summer Science Nick's classroom - aptly (and simply) called "Bergology" - was always a source of wonder for campers and staff alike. His inventiveness - computers made from cardboard and duct tape?!?! - wowed you if you were 6 or 16 or 60. Nick was also the person who engineered the blasting of loud rock music via the PA system at various Science Olympiad competitions! The last time I saw Nick he had just returned from Africa and he was profoundly affected by what he had experienced there. I could see his humanity then looking for a new direction in which to give aid.

    From Mohan Sarovar - We all liked, respected, and most of all, admired Nick. He was one of the very precious few who act upon their high ideals and compassion. My most prominent memory about Nick is how he returned emaciated from Ghana. Despite his appearance his accounts were always of an immensely rewarding experience.

    Meitamei Ole Dapash of Kenya - I am writing on behalf of the Maasai people in Kenya and on my own behalf to send you our heartfelt condolences for the loss of your son and our friend Nick Berg. From the remotest part of the world, Nicks friends send their prayers and well wishes.

    I met Nick almost two years ago through American Jewish World Service at the time when my organization was drilling water for the impoverished indigenous Maasai people in Amboseli/Mt Kilimanjaro region in Kenya. Nick was so moved by [the] project, he volunteered to travel to Kenya in 2003 to help with the drilling and casing of the water well.

    In march 2003, he went to Kenya and spent about two weeks with the field staff of the Maasai Environmental Resource Coalition working on the project. Throughout this period, he lived among the Maasai. Nick made friends with the entire community in the area, and was even able to learn and speak some Maasai within a week.

    I just wanted [to] encourage you and to let you know that Nick had many friends, even in the remotest, least civilized parts of the world, and that you are not alone in your grieving.

    We will pray for you all during this very difficult time! Now that Nick is no more, please consider us your friends.

    God Bless you and your family so much! And God Bless your country!

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    Dear Heavenly Father,

    Please send the world more mercenaries like Nick Berg.
     
  18. Plain Old Bill

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    No it is no whining about the way the world treats us, it is a small commentary on the way our far left ultra libral (news media,hollywood,politicians,and thier little groupy psuedo intllectuals)always take the blame America first tact.
    I guess I'm just getting a little sick and tired of those who take the gravy this country has,enjoy the freedoms this country provides,and then bad mouths it all the time.According to your own views and words there must be some place better so why are you here?
     
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    Daisy,
    I realize this is a message board and not a chat room. Usually I would let a statement out of the blue like that ride, but this one really , well, upset me. This particular forum is known for posters who back up their statements with facts via news links or quotes from credible sources. We are at 48 hours plus and waiting.
     
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    Originally posted by JamesBell:
    Simply put, the people being beheaded were not "hired guns".

    But that applies to the folks hanged at Fallujah, and to many others.

    According to USA Today:

    "Blackwater Security Consulting, which lost four employees in Wednesday's ambush in Iraq, is one of about 25 private security groups employed in Iraq to guard officials and installations, train Iraq's new army and police and provide other support for occupation forces.

    The private companies employ about 15,000 people in Iraq, making them effectively the second-largest armed component of the coalition after the United States' 100,000 troops. Britain has more than 8,000 soldiers in the country."

    USA TODAY

    One man's mercenary, I suppose, is another man's security guard. I have no knowledge what these men were like, but they were, in any case, "hired guns." (Nick Berg is in a different category.)

    Believe it or not, our military is quite capable of doing what needs to be done. They are much more qualified and prepared the men that have been beheaded.

    No; otherwise, the demand wouldn't be so great. The armed forces couldn't provide security for the contractors, so security was hired — at very good rates.

    "With more hired guns in Iraq than in any other U.S. conflict since the 1991 Persian Gulf War, Rich and other armed contractors also admit their role is cloudy and controversial. They do shoot to kill, but they aren't legally considered combatants. U.S. military officials have expressed concern about violence in which the private contractors open fire. The contractors' mission is to protect the lives of individuals and cargo but not necessarily to support the broader interests of the U.S. counterinsurgency."


    WASHINGTON POST FEATURE

    [ July 19, 2005, 09:26 PM: Message edited by: rsr ]
     

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