Kerry endorsement against 501 (c) (3) rules

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    REV. JORDAN AT CINCINNATI AME: "We are asking you to support him. I'm not worried about a 501 (c) (3) doctrine. We are asking you to support him."

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/NotedNow/story?id=156246

    Internal Revenue Code section 501(c)(3) organizations (including churches) are "absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office." (IRS Pub.1828)

    As it did in 1992, 1996 and 2000, the IRS issued an election year advisory this past April reminding 501(c)(3) organizations of this prohibition. In its recent advisory letter, the IRS referenced a case, Branch Ministries vs. Rossotti. 211 F.3d 137 (D.C. Cir. 2000). In this case an appeals court upheld the revocation of a church's tax-exempt status because the church engaged in political activities. Just prior to the 1992 presidential election, the church published newspaper ads titled "Christians Beware" and asserted that then-Governor Clinton's positions on abortion, homosexuality, and the distribution of condoms to teenagers in schools violated Christian teaching. The court found that the church's political activity violated the Internal Revenue Code's prohibition on intervening in political campaigns.
     
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    That is why the law that LBJ stuck us with is no good, contrary to what the liberals on this board say. It has never been enforced against black Democrats and never will be. Perhaps you remember that Jackson took up collections in churches for his political campaign contrary to the law and there was no one brave enough to even complain about him. The African Methodist Episcopal Church has no intentions of obeying the law.

    Since the law is aimed at only the GOP, it must be repealed in the name of justice. Notice that the laws defenders are not here to complain about the Democrat abuse of the law.

    Thanks for posting this information, Webmaster. I was unaware of it but I am not surprised. I have known a few members of that denomination and they held their convention here in Indy last summer and Kerry spoke to them. Kerry likes to quote the Bible, as you know. He is talking all the time about the least of us nowadays, but that does not apply to the unborn in his mind.

    The Democrat Party richly deserves defeat. From LBJ to Kerry to their rise in power during the Great Depression, the Democrat Party has lied about the facts and tried to stack the deck legally with acts like the 501-c-3. Now they are the anti-religious freedom Democrat Party.
     
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    Ted Kennedy, of all people, preached a sermon at the Airy Church of God in Christ in Philadelphia in which, according to the Associated Press, he "urged the congregation to vote for Kerry." Here is an AP photo of the congregation:

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    Is it legal to hold political rallies in churches? Not if the church wants to maintain its tax-exempt status. But somehow the rules don't apply when the preacher is a Democrat. All those worries about how dangerous it is to mingle religion and politics don't apply, either.

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    If you push this you'll eventually be branded a racist.
     
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    I suppose that's why the laws don't apply in these cases. The Administration (or the IRS) is afraid to uphold the law for fear of being "branded a racist".
     
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    Yep. Pensions are at stake.
     
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    I have actually emailed thjose goobers at Americans for Separation of Chruch and State about this, and one of the head attack dogs emailed me back, claiming that they were writieng letters to congregations that allowed Gore, etc., to speak...

    I believed that like I believe Dan Rather didn't know he was buying a pig in a poke.

    The law will always be enforced unequally, for just the reason P. Jim specified.
     
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    Talk about a double standard! :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes, and this is true no matter who is in office. It is a function not of administrative, but of bureaucratic, hypocricy.
     
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    It is a Democrat-passed law written by LBJ. The Republicans have no reason to push for the enforcement of this law because the African Methodist Episcopal Church has no intentions of obeying this Democrat-passed law no matter what.

    In truth, the law is unenforceable in black churches and for that reason the law should be repealed.

    If a law is evil and badly written, it is pointless for the GOP to try to enforce it. LBJ wrote the law as a weapon against groups in Texas who were aware of his personal corruption. Democrats openly flaunt the law as proof that it is to be used only as a weapon against their many opponents.
     
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    Americans United today asked the Internal Revenue Service to investigate events that appeared to be efforts to boost the candidacy of Sen. John F. Kerry at two churches in "swing states" on Oct. 24.

    In Pennsylvania, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy spoke on Kerry's behalf at the Mount Airy Church of God in Christ in Philadelphia.

    The church's pastor, Ernest C. Morris Sr., followed Kennedy at the podium and said, "I can't tell you who to vote for, but I can tell you what my mamma told me last week: Stay out the Bushes."

    The same morning, Democratic Vice Presidential candidate John Edwards appeared at Allen Temple African Methodist Episcopal Church in Cincinnati. Edwards gave an eight-minute speech and then was endorsed by the church's pastor, Donald H. Jordan Sr.

    "I'm not worried about the law," Jordan said. Referring to Edwards, he added, "I'm asking you to support him." Jordan also added his belief that Edwards would one day be president.

    Americans United Executive Director Barry W. Lynn said the events looked to be obvious efforts to influence the outcome of the election, a clear violation of federal tax law.

    "The enthusiasm generated by a close presidential race does not justify violating federal law," Lynn said. "The cases we are reporting to the IRS today are especially egregious because the pastors apparently know what the law says yet chose to violate it anyway."

    Concluded Lynn, "We urge the IRS to act. Such blatant and open defiance of the law must not be permitted."

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1257727/posts
     
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    AMEN!!!!!!!
    The Dems make me want to ....
     
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    The law itself is crooked. LBJ wrote a crooked law. LBJ attacked free speech. He said that if you were a non-profit and talked politics, the government should tax you. His clear intent was to make people shut up because they were aware of his political corruptness in Texas with the usual voter fraud, crooked counts, etc.

    Supposing Lynn went against his own party and made an example of a couple of churches. What about the thousands of other churches that will violate the law forever?

    The law is unenforceable. It is crooked. It should be repealed. Let the black preachers say whatever they like. (They are going to anyway.) What difference does it make what some Democrat says in some church? Who cares? We all know that the Democrat party is unwilling to admit the truth to anything. There are a few nice Democrats but most of them are people that you do not want much to do with. Making people obey the law in the churches is like trying to stamp out prostitution in Indianapolis.
     
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    IRS regulations bit the dust again today, as they have every Sunday throughout the campaign. John Kerry works the crowd at a service at Shiloh Baptist Church in Dayton, Ohio:

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    Am I the only one who thinks this conduct is racist? Can you imagine President Bush turning a religious service into a campaign event in a predominantly white congregation? Is there anything other than the fact that these parishioners are black that makes anyone think this behavior is either legal or in any way appropriate?

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    I just watched Kerry this morning speaking in another church. Some are starting to raise a stink and write the IRS about these things. If the DNC and their cronies at the ACLU can send in spies to watch Fundamental Evangelical churches that stand for something trying to get them into trouble for violation, turn about is fair play, and there's nothing racist about it. If the African American's don't like it, they shouldn't violate the law. It applies to them as well. If that makes me a racist, then so be it!
     
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    Kerry found a new home in Black churches. Why? Because any Catholic church in good conscience would have to deny him Holy Communion because of his immoral stance.

    Praying for Kerry's eternal salvation (not his victory).

    If God can save a vile sinner such as ME, He can lavish His amazing grace on others such as John and Theresa.
     
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    Who cares what the Democrats do?

    The law is crooked and should not be enforced but repealed.
     
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    It is not illegal to register voters in the church basement. That is a phoney issue. The Democrats wrote the law because LBJ was being hounded in Texas by some non-profits for stealing Texas elections during the 1950s. He used the law to silence them in Texas. Now the law is being used to deny preachers free speech.

    Let the Democrat preachers preach Kerry from the pulpit. Who cares? A lot of preachers are little more than Democrat Party bosses anyway.
     
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    The President, as Chief Executive, the nation's chief law enforcement officer. This jerk wants people to flaunt what it is the President is there to enforce in order to elect him as President. That's irony with big lips, one might say.

    If you know about this atheist in the disguise of his Rev. title, you would know he is the Max Factor of religious liberty. His agenda to destroy Biblical Christianity he tries to camouflage behind the makeup of these kind of statements. Wait and see if anything of substance is done about this church and that goof of a "pastor."
     
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    We all know that the law is applied selectively according to party membership. Nothing will be done and that is the reason that the law needs to be repealed. Actually, why should some Democrat get a letter from the IRS because he endorses Kerry from the pulpit? What is American about that? How can the law be enforced when Democrats break it constantly in the black churches? When you do not preach Salvation but Social Justice, you become quite political. Who cares?
     

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