KJV: good site

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  1. brucebaptist

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    Don't care much for that website, but I love "Awesome Bill from Dawsonville" (NASCAR).

    :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    My friend, in no disrespect, many who support a KJV position, or "going to hell" position, need to read a 1611 copy of the KJV. Then, come back to me and say what you will.
     
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    Please don't get me wrong. I love the KJV, because of its literary beauty. However, to state that other bibles do not teach the same doctrine is false. Go to a Kingdom Hall of the JW's and pick up a NWT an then come back.
     
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    Yeah, the whole thing just makes no sense. How come no reliable evangelical scholars hold to this position?
     
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    And how would reading a 1611 edition change their position?
     
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    Unfortunately that website is full of very bad information.

    I will be happy to discuss it with you if you are interested. :)
     
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    Any number of the books in the symposium side have been widely disproven. Its ironic, for a site that desires to advocate for the KJV 1611 it uses modern English.

    I took a moment to look at their "facts" page and I'm gonna come back and respond to it when I get a moment. (I'm writing a paper for a journal right now and need to focus...wait why am I on this board...)

    There is just some bad stuff on this site.
     
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    "you may be a target for misinformation, propaganda, deception and lies."

    At least they admit their agenda...:rolleyes:
     
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    If "bad stuff" equates to a lot of hooey, then yeah... you're right.
     
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    But by merely criticizing the content, and calling it "hooey" without delineating your reasons and evidence to support your opinion, or without indicating a willingness to discuss the issue, aren't you doing the same thing as the website's author?

    On another forum we were discussing a variant in an English reading between differing English versions based on a variant in the Greek manuscripts. I posted several paragraphs outlining the manuscript evidence and my reasons for taking the position I take. To which my opponent replied: “Only a tee total ignorite would question . . ." (the reading I had just debunked).

    I realize this is a web forum, but can one liners really substitute of honest, intelligent discourse, or help us to find some common ground, or assist in edifying one another?

    Let’s try to discuss the issue without insult or invective, just to be different. :)
     
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    Sorry, TCassidy, but that's the best I could muster in response to the load of manure on the site. The sheer volume of ignorance, the repeated words of Ruckman and others of his ilk, the audacity of touting a man-made fallacy is just too much for me to be civil about it. I can excuse ignorance, but this site is full of crap that is actively promoted by those there.

    I am no super scholar. I have no letters behind my name and probably never will. Even so I can see the lies and foolishness of the KJVO "doctrine". I can see its divisiveness. I can see its man-made traditions being raised about the very thing it claims to be "protecting"... and that is God's word.

    When someone, anyone starts disrespecting the word of God because it is not an exact copy of their own pet idol/translation my hackles go up. There is more than enough ignorance of God's word already without the misinformation and outright lies from these KJVO "purists". I already fight against that ignorance but have had to divert myself from it in order to fight against this heresy trying to creep into the church. Because of this I give no ground to such garbage.
     
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    Is your icon a pic of that arch-heretic -- Charles G. Finney?! Do you admire him?
     
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    Can something be considered great if nine tenths consists of bold lies?
     
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    Hi jaigner

    You said........
    This statement reminded me of a passage in John.........
    John 7:47-48
    V.47 Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived?
    V.48 Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?

    What we believe, should NEVER be based upon a majority opinion!
     
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    LOL - I think that is Finney. Where's Aimee Semple McPherson? General William Booth?
     
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    Hmmm...I hope I'm not being labeled as deceived and heretical. I don't tend to take extreme positions on much of anything.

    But does that mean we should stop preaching, give away our commentaries, close up seminaries and burn all credible, evangelical scholarship, given to us by men and women who love God and yearn to be faithful and careful in the way they handle the Bible? I don't believe so.

    The very reason we do Christian scholarship is so we can hear God's voice as clearly as possible.

    The King James Version served the Church well for centuries. Many have come to Christ through its influence. But it desperately needed to be updated, both for readability, because meanings have changed and vernacular has evolved, and to reflect the huge scholarly breakthroughs over the past few centuries.
     
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    Hi Rippon

    When I said it was great, I was talking about what I had read..........

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    The question for modern day Christians is - are we going to trust today’s
    scholars and scribes to give us a HOLY Bible? Or are we going to trust God? Do we believe what God
    has said about His word, or do we reject His words and ignore them?
     
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    Hello again Rippon

    I am not an expert on Finney, but I like what I have read about him so far.

    Is their a reason that I shouldn’t??
     
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