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Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by bro jeff, Aug 9, 2002.
What does this mean to you??? KJV ONLY
Well, bro.jeff, I'm going to try & block-out everything I've seen/heard while on Board & tell you honestly what KJV ONLY means to me: It means I use my KJBible ONLY! Nothing else. No others. Nada. Nil. Nix. Nine. Nyet. None. Naught. ONay. (Get it? hee-hee)
It means I do NOT acknowledge anything else today as being a REAL Bible & whatever is/was the ancestors of the KJB are/were real. It means I do NOT think the MVs(as I've learned to say) are the inspired Words that God intended.
I have believed this way ALL my life, as did MY ancestors (& theirs) & I pray no one blasts me. Thanky.
Thank you, and please everyone who answers no blasting.
KJV Only means to me that I have chosen to use a King James Version Bible exclusively.
It means I have chosen not to use what I consider to be other unreliable versions.
It means that I feel the underlying texts of the KJV is truer to the originals than the texts that the modern versions are based on.
It also means that I believe what the Word of God says and I submit to it as the final authority in all matters of faith and practise.
It means that when I stand in my pulpit and preach the Word of God and read Scripture from my KJV Bible, I am confident that I am reading from God's inspired, infallible, inerrant Word.
What it doesn't mean is that I am perfect and everyone who does not believe the way I do is an infidel.
'KJV Only' means the incompetent view that a politcally-motivated Anglican translation of scripture, which was meant to replace the translation favored by reformers and separatists-- including Baptists-- is the only one which should be read or used, with no scriptural evidence, nor any other preponderance of thought other than the wishful suppositions of those who hold the view, to substantiate the position.
It means that the others are lacking the salinity the KJV has. I agree, the KJV IS the word of God.
Tough to answer. There are varying degrees. When I was KJV only, it meant that the KJV was the only real Bible. All others were not real Bibles. Anyone who used one of the others was deceived and potentially a deceiver themselves. It meant only true believers used the KJV. But God delivered me from this liberal, unScriptural belief system.
Yes, I agree, tough to answer.
When I was in this belief system, I thought it meant if I didn't use it, God wouldn't accept me. I heard preachers who screamed at me and said hateful things of those who use another version. (Don't worry, I know not everyone is like this...a lot of good godly people, including a lot of you here who are KJV-only, are not like this ). I'd heard it even said by some that if you didn't weren't "saved from the KJV," that you couldn't be saved.
I also agree with TomVols...I immediately assumed everyone was out of God's will who used a new version and felt proud that I was using "God's version."
It is interesting how the responses of Granny is the sentiment that many of us have attributed as "KJVOnlyism." I think she has summed it up quite well for the most part. It is a person who who believes that every non-KJV is not the Word of God. Pastor Bob took a slightly different approach, but only slightly.
Most KJVOnlyists believe what these two have stated.
[ August 10, 2002, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Pastor Larry ]
Granny, this is not bashing, so don't take it as such. But I don't understand something about your definition of KJV-only. I have asked this before, and don't recall getting a straight answer. You say "nothing else today" is a "REAL Bible". Yet you seem to indicate the "ancestors" of the KJV were. Yet the problem is that those "ancestors" are still here. The Geneva, Tyndale's, Wycliffe's, and others are still published and still available. Are they *still* God's word? (this is a simple "yes" or "no" question!)
Also, to further understand your definition of KJV-only, please explain what exactly you mean by "ancestor". Do you mean only English versions, or would you consider other language Bibles that predate the KJV to be ancestors as well (Vulgate, Peshitta, etc.)?
As Steve Irwin, The Crocodile Hunter says: "DANGER, DANGER, DANGER!"
Do y'all know what really tickles me? It is how y'all scurry about, looking for answers & it is right before your eyes! I'm not one bit smart, but I know if you want to raise a Charolais breed of cattle, you don't go mixing 'em with a Texas scrub(or a fancy-smancy breed of dog, horse,etc). Like begats like, for a pure-bred, right?.
You see, until I came on Board here, I didn't know about all this stuff y'all be talking about(& I really wish I still didn't know). In my heart of hearts, the KJBible is pure. I am not so stupid that I think it is the ONLY one that's EVER been available...but I do think God gave it for such a time as this for us today; whatever it came from was pure...He promised to preserve them & God does not lie.
The simple way I understand this thing, is there are two places that all these bibles come from: Antioch & Alexandria. The words translated from Antioch are pure & the ones outta Alex. are not. So as I see it, I have a pure-bred brand & all others that are translated from this other is a mixed-breed; alot seems to have something to do with the Vatican?
I know that I don't have the brains y'all do, but I think I have sense enough to know how the Holy Spirit leads me...He's never let me down in 50yrs! Yes, I believe the translators of the KJBible believed that God inspired the very WORDS. I think these men are who God chose to translate it into a readable language for even simple-minded folks like me(if the ancestors are still available & that's the way I talked, then I'd use them-but I speak English, as did my grandparents & theirs, etc, so I use the KJB).
I think the folks who have done the work on the MVs are/were not truly in unison on anything, considering many of their backgrounds I have read about, & how can two walk together except they be agreed? You know what? The more people try to convince me of something, the more I believe I must be on the right trail, using a straight-stick.
This is too long & many will not read it, or you will laugh at it if you do, but that's ok; no hard feelings But PLEASE don't hold it against me for what I believe to be true, as well as this is what the Lord has led me to believe; [and if He has led you to use something else, then great, but why are you trying so hard to destroy someone else's conviction?] Why aren't you just happy with what you have & leave others alone? Or are you so very concerned for our souls?
Be satisfied with what you have...I sure am. Have peace about it...I sure do. Study, learn & grow from what you have, IF you believe you DO have ALL of the God-inspired WORDS...That is what I believe I hold in my hands every time I open that beloved old Book. BTW, I do love you all & may the Lord richly bless each of you as you seek to do His Will.
I agree with you concerning the manuscripts, the KJV men, the superiority of the KJV because of the devotion of these men to the Preservation of the Word of God.
But what conviction of yours has anyone tried to destroy?
To voice a contrary opinion does not constitute the destruction of some elses.
You have voiced a contrary opinion to others held here, but are you trying to destroy their conviction? You have indicated that this is not so.
[ August 10, 2002, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: HankD ]
This is the heart of KJV-onlyism to me. It has nothing to do with theology or biblical criticism and everything to do with the fact that some people grew up with the KJV all their lives and aren't comfortable parting with it.
I would have to disagree with you. I am "KJV Only" and I certainly do not hold to the views you have just attributed to me. In fact, I would be surprised to learn that any KJVO person would agree with what you stated.
ChristianCynic, I stongly suggest you delete the word "bud" from your posting vocabulary. It does not seem to be meant in the spirit of respectful discourse.
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How can one expect the whole world to be KJVO when they will always be those who "grasp at straws".PS 56:5 ..
[ August 10, 2002, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: Japheth ]
This is the heart of KJV-onlyism to me. It has nothing to do with theology or biblical criticism and everything to do with the fact that some people grew up with the KJV all their lives and aren't comfortable parting with it[Joshua]
"It wouldn't matter if I grew up with the KJB or not, I believe sooner or later God would have shown me the way to all truth. I appreciate what you are saying(I think)& it's not a matter of me being 'uncomfortable' in having to part with my KJBible; it would be like tearing the very heart out of me...It is what I have used to make me who I am today.
I would be 'uncomfortable' around those who drink alcohol or any other thing that is unbecoming a true believer. I am 'uncomfortable' on this Board talking to a group of intellectuals. I am 'uncomfortable' thinking that so many decent folk can make such a big deal out of a simple thing that's simply truth.
To HankD~I hope I never argued with anyone's convictions to the point I would mislead/misguide them. Like I said, if the Lord leads one to live by something other than the KJBible, more power to 'em. I guess I feel like I've been ridiculed(or mocked) for believing as firmly & so strongly as I do, without apology.
Yes. I know the feeling