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Discussion in 'Politics' started by KenH, Dec 29, 2007.
The suspected ALQ link to the assasination is curious. And if the circumstances are right, could some in her own party have been involved?
I've been listening too much to the Paul supporters here: I now believe everything is a conspiracy :laugh:
But I do wonder. I'm not ready to blame Bush/Israel/fill in the blank as many do for 9/11, but some things make me wonder. If nothing else, makes you wonder what Mushy is up to in holding on to power in Pakistan.
What her murder at the hands of Al'quida means is
that our government was right -- we need to rid the
world of cowardly terrorists who kill their own
innocent people (peaceful Muslims)
cause they don't like the freedom that Americans have.
Nah, let's just give them another $5 Billion in aid, and keep our fingers crossed.
Actually Ed even a quick look at history shows it was our government (CIA) along with Pakistan's ISI that created Al Qeada (the base) and the Taliban and radicalized the muslims to fight the Soviets in the first place. If it wasn't for our constant meddling in others affairs we wouldn't have to go all over the world and spend our blood and treasure trying to put out the fires we started!
Why do you keep regurgitating the big lie Ed? Haven't you done any fact and history checking beyond the big brother government propaganda yet? Apparently not.:BangHead:
The muslims were already motivated to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. We provided them with weapons.
Your quote on another thread describes Al Qaeda as "a fictional terror organization named after a Mujahideen database." Can't have it both ways. Either Al Queda exists or it doesn't.
Well the US saw it at the time as a response to Soviet meddling in our hemisphere (Cuba, Nicaragua). And was it not meddling for the Soviets to invade Afghanistan to begin with? Don't they come in for any criticism, or are we the only bad guys?
The point is we have no idea if it was Al Qaeda or the thug presently in power. To be honest, there is not much difference. Thugs have been killing thugs for years to gain power, back and forth. It is the nature of the beast in that part of the world. Just because our government is all of its wisdom deems the present government in Pakistan an ally and Al Qaeda the enemy, does not mean Al Qaeda killed Bhutto. They may have, but my guess is the powers that be.
Your guess is as good as mine. But Bhutto certainly believed it was the Islamic radicals who were the danger to her. They already tried once to kill her using a baby with a bomb attached to it. And she said herself that,"I am what the Terrorists Most Fear".
A quick look at history shows we didn't get the radicalized Muslims to fight the Russians. But we did aid them.
It is astonishing to me how ignorant people are of history. Muslims were engaged in terrorism long before there was a United States.
I agree 100% with all but the last sentence. Who knows who really killed Bhutto. I have no guess. But you're absolutely spot on vis a vis the rest of your statement.
The funniest part of all this is listening to all the presidential candidates come up with their simple solutuons to such complex problems. This from Bill Richardson:
“President Bush should press Musharraf to step aside, and a broad-based coalition government, consisting of all the democratic parties, should be formed immediately... It is in the interests of the U.S. that there be a democratic Pakistan that relentlessly hunts down terrorists.”
Simple! Nothing to it. Lets elect this man so we can get started.
I haven't seen any more proof that al Quaeda was responsible for Bhutto's assassination than I've seen that they were involved in 9/11. If someone can provide some proof I'd be glad to see it. In both cases, al Quaeda was simply pronounced as responsible.
I was of course refering to actual history not the neatly sanitized made for tv version.
"When the French magazine Le Nouvel Observateur interviewed Brzezinski in 1998, he admitted that the equipping of Bin Laden’s anti-Soviet troops was before the Russian invasion and was aimed at provoking its reaction:"
Al Qeada exists alright. Just not as it's portrayed by the mainstream media. Take another trip down history lane and this time pay closer attention, most all of the made for tv "terrorists" have connections to either the CIA, FBI, MI5/MI6, ISI and the Mossad who's motto is "by deception we shall do war". Al CIA DUH would be a more accurate description for the intell operatives and dupes propped up by the mainstream as "Al Qeada" terrorists.
Let's not forget what happened in Iran in 1953. "we" used Iranians posing as communists to blow things up and shoot people to overthrow a regime "we" didn't like. That's called "false flag terrorism" the same type of thing the Joint Chiefs proposed to do to US citizens on our own soil in order to have a "justification" to invade Cuba in the 1960's.
Not exactly. It was more or less for revenge. Carter and Brzezinski set a trap for the Soviets and used the Afghans as pawns. A large number died as a result then "we" turned our back on them. Real heroic stuff.
To begin with? You got it backwards. The Soviets invaded after our meddling began.
President Carter and the Double-Dealing
Context of '1986-1992: CIA and British Recruit and Train Militants Worldwide to Help Fight Afghan War'
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BBC Censored Benazir Bhutto's Reports that Bin Laden Had Been Murdered
Click Here for the video.
I know what yer thinkin. Bu bu bu bu we see Usama Bin Lazarus in "new" videos everytime the gubment needs to scare us back into submission. Or something like that. What does it mean if Bin Laden is long dead? It means the "war on terrorism" is a huge scam. :type:
Well that's a start. Previously, you said that it was a fictitious organization.
Go back a little further. The Soviets were concerned about their client government in Kabul, which they had installed. In fact, the Soviets ruled a half dozen Muslim countries in Asia, the "Stans" but I guess you don't consider that meddling.