Laws you don't want enforced?

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  1. billwald

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    From another thread:

    >How about just enforcing the laws that are already on the books?

    It is obvious that you all are very selective about the laws you want enforced. It might be interesting to list the laws we don't want to personally obey.

    I'll start. It think it is foolish to require motorists to buy liability insurance when half the people who cause traffic accidents don't have any which causes the rest of us to buy "uninsured motorist." Simpler to post signs, "DRIVE/RIDE AT YOUR OWN RISK" signs and let each car owner decide for himself how he will protect his interests.
     
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    Your example would be State law - not Federal.

    I think that all of the laws should be either enforced or repealed.

    What is the point in having laws on the books that are not enforced?
     
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    I'm with you brother!!!
     
  4. matt wade

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    How is it obvious the "we all" are very selective about the laws we want enforced? Can you give some examples about how "we all" demonstrate this?
     
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    How did we make the Evil Knievel, Grand-Canyon leap from "enforce the laws on the books" to "you obviously don't want to obey some laws?"

    Who tied that Gordian knot for you, billwald?
     
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    I don't mind having to have a drivers license by which a record of my driving offences and accidents is kept, and for use to verify my identification to vote, see a doctor, or write a check.

    But I am offended with the compliance of my state to the Federal law which allows that my identification will conform and be applied when fully enacted, to a national data base where my personal information may be conolidated and subject to the care and oversight of strangers in the goverment lines of employment and trust, over which I have no control or power, or ways of correction, or even timely knowledge of leaks which could be wrongly applied in the theift of my identity or to my reputation by the behavior of another.... or data mined by internationals for whatever curiousities or motivations because it is equivalent to a passport id.

    My state of FLORIDA has betrayed its own citizens and our individual rights to privacy and its own state rights by complying with this outrageous law!

    (Futhermore.... it is discriminatory to females. Because my name changed when I got married.... and though I've been a widow 15 years, with my married legal name more than 20 years, I must also show my 'marriage' license as proof of name: I have no intention of needing a passport or traveling to another country.... at this late time in my life!)

    I'm now driving on a temporary permit allowed to get my documents together..... while trying to decide whether to challenge this system or comply.

    At some point...... sooner or later..... we will have to determine when we will stop playing their game! I'd rather choose an area.... which is relatively benign for the good of all to rally behind.... than wait for an act of law which is too great or a condition of enforcement such as martial law, which is so severe as to require a choice between arms or servitude.
     
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    How do we stop playing their game? let them arrest us?
     
  8. windcatcher

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    Sometimes........ when there are 'bad' laws.... someone has to take this risk. A challenge to the law if successful may get the law removed or changed.
    Sometimes to get a law challenged, it takes disobedience to the law. This may cause a court challenge which may or may not end successfully: An acquittal does not necessarily cause the law to be changed. Neither does the attention of a trial mean it is going to get attention or change of law. Often times one is placing themselves at risk .....both materially and by reputation ......cause so many do not agree with or see the concerns of that individual or group of individuals concerning the dangerous aspects of the law:

    Often times..... and we have many who think this way..... even discerning Christians equivocate man's law as equal to God's law..... and disobedience to man's law as disobeying God. Man's law does not have to be immoral to still be an unjust or unfair law. In this country, all laws are supposed to be measured by the constitution and the declaration which states that God gives us unalienable rights..... rights which are not subject to the ordinances of man except to the limits to which we are willing to comply.

    Though enforcement of man's law may declare me to be a criminal, when I've done no real crime except that I refused to comply.... it is the law which should be judged.... even though very likely, I might become an example of the power of government's determination to enforce a law which would call me a criminal. God gave me my unique genetic features and I'm made in his image.... my unique characteristics and the history of my life is before God and no business or consequence to another as long as I obey those basic commandments...... don't murder, don't covet, don't lie, don't steal, don't fornicate, serve and worship God and honor parents.

    I was born in this country to American parents, 62 years ago. I've lived all my life in this country and most in the area of my current residence. I'm not against having a photo identification for purposes of driving, writing checks, or other 'ordinary' verification of identification. But this law will allow centralizing a data base based upon man's own ideas of what constitutes security and identity. The ones in charge are no more holy and righteous than I and some may be more capable of corruption than myself: Maintained in the hands of strangers, it is beyond my powers to control access or who or how it is used: It is beyond my power to defend, to know if error has occurred, to know how to correct.... to know what is included or what might have been missed.... which may be the only avenue I'd have to prove the difference between myself and someone who might 'pose' for me. With genetic engineering and other techniques in intelligence now being devised..... there is no way of knowing just how my or another citizen's biologics could be used to set up a situation in which they are fraudulently accused.

    True, like many say.... all this data is already and publicly available. But is it? What about our President? What schools did he attend? When? What courses were taken? Who were his teachers? Who are the people who could 'vouch' as knowing him during the course of those years? His roommates? His classmates? His friends?

    If I have similar information regarding myself.....is it better and safer that I have to request it from the school only when it is needed.... or left to the judgement of bureaucrats whether to release all or partial data from a central location? What about medical information? Could genetics become a mining field for suitable donors for transplants? Could genetic information expose the various vulnerabilities of a population to disorders and predispositions to or resistance to disease over others? Could a suspicious lesion or a tentative diagnosis become a diagnosis in the permanent collected record which presupposes one into a category of insurance risk, or medical outcomes or modalities of treatments based upon assumptions of health and longevity.... less favorable than had such been omitted or under control of and between the doctor and patient? Okay! Call this paranoia! That's a subjective and diagnostic term.... suitable for use in fields like psychiatry and psychology.... but of public use and 'understandings' which are often prejudicial even when partially understood. So psychological characteristics.... whether drawn by a professional examination (with or without the patient's knowledge) or the consequence of layman's characterizing a person ...... may also find its ways into the centralized records.

    I know that all this knowledge is safe in the mind of God, my Creator, who has no other than his best desires upon me.... in both my strengths and my weaknesses.

    I cannot believe that this collection of knowledge in the hands of man and his imaginations to work his selfish will can serve a greater good more than it can serve a greater evil.
     
  9. Jon-Marc

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    There are too many stupid laws on the books. Although prostitution is immoral, why should it be a crime? Who is being hurt by it? That's something I never did and never considered sex a strong enough need to pay for it.

    I also don't understand why gambling should be illegal anywhere. People should have the right to do with their own money as they please. No, I don't gamble; there's nothing left over after I pay my bills and buy groceries.
     

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