Legal suit questions the citizenship of Obama

There is no way the FBI would get involved in this mess. It is not against the law to be nominated by your party, even if you aren't eligible.

The courts will have to decide if he is eligible. That is the problem. Instead of producing the birth certificate, Obama and the DNC are asking to delay the decision and their production of the documents until after the election. If the democrats win big, they will simply make the issue go away, if possible.

peace to youraying:

 

His birth cert has been produced - it has been evidenced here many, many times. Factcheck investigated this and actually saw an embossed copy, including the 'blacked out' serial number and posted pdf's of all the docs. A birth announcement from a 1961 newspaper was also photocopied and reproduced.

But, go ahead, follow your dreams that Obama is a Kenyan.

 

Please note that I have not ridiculed a single poster - if you took my comment about dreams as such, please forgive me. I guess I am frustrated because this particular issue keeps coming up and keeps getting answered.

Unless there was some 'poncho-esque' Islamofascist sleeper plot hatched in 1960 for the express purpose of putting this child into office one day this story remains a non-runner, despite the best netrumours to keep it alive.

I ridicule this type of supposed story and politicking based on such. I ridicule the politics of dredging the barrel when there are real, solid, unquestionable reasons to try and defeat Sen Obama next month.

I just don't think we need this kind of reason when we have massive solid reasons to deny him our vote.

 

From the article:

Since when does FACTCHECK become the judge of what documents are offical or not? In the U.S.A., the courts get to decide which documents are offical, don't they?

You don't find it strange that Obama and the DNC can produce these documents to FACTCHECK, but cannot produce them for a U.S. Court? Why not? Because they want to pretend they are answering the question, when they are, in fact, dodging the issue.

The document they cite is a "copy", not the origional. It is a copy issued in 2007. I work at a Federal office. We have had people come to the office and try to use an "offical copy" of a birth certificate issued by the state that differs from the origional that was issued at the time of birth. The "offical copy" is considered invalid because it differs from the origional.

That is why the person bringing the suit is demanding to see the ORIGIONAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, not a copy.

Apparently, Obama is unable to produce an origional birth certificate. If he could, this issue would go away.

peace to youraying:

 

Agreed. That is why the story will not go away. If someone has nothing to hide, they will not be secretive. I read one report where the "copy" may have been his sister's that was doctored, not his. Again, if someone has nothing to hide about something as important as this, they will answer these types of allegations by coming clean with verifiable legal proof.

 

This would be an area specific thing. You may have had these things done if you lived in the big city but midwives were still used at the time you were born in many of the rural areas particularly in the south. In many of those locations, birth were not officially document until the census people came around.

Not being from HI I have no idea if they were doing footprints in the 60's or not just as I have no idea if they are doing them today. I just don't feel absence or addition of a footprint, though would be nice, doesn't speak to the validity of the document.

 

Another case of 'guilty until proven innocent' I guess.

In fact, not only proven innocent, but proven innocent to satisfy everyone.

This horse is long dead - time, IMHO, to let it lie.

If our country is in the hands of a conspiracy so deep that election boards don't even know if a man is a citizen or not, it is all helpless anyway, so why bother.

 

I disagree though each is entitled to their opinion. Sounds like Obama allowed a bipartisan group to touch, handle, scrutinize the actual document. It's not uncommon to not cooperate with an investigation deemed a "witch hunt". Palin took this same position in AK to the point of having subpena'd people like her husband not appear as requested.

Let's face it, what make PA feel they can make this request after the FBI has already vetted this candidate? Why haven't they asked the McCain campaign to produce the same documents? Isn't this a form of discrimination to call only one candidate out and ask for any document the others haven't had to produce to the same court? I don't blame Obama if he allows this to go to the US supreme court just on principle.

There are a myriad of reasons one may not be able to produce an original birth certificate. Just because you've seen people attempt fraud with a copy shouldn't make every copy suspect. Many people have only an official copy which when signed and sealed by the state is supposed to be considered official. This is why the person "demanding the original document" has no legal ground to stand. If "official copies" weren't legal, the FBI wouldn't have accepted Obama and states wouldn't be giving them out.

Lastly, I don't think it would be too hard for an investigator to go to HI and prove the document a fake since the state has the records. Why don't the judge subpoena the state of HI? My thoughts, legally he doesn't have the power he is wielding which is another reason this should go to the US Supreme court.

 

Circumstantial evidence plays into one's guilt. A guilty demeanor and non cooperation is circumstantial evidence. Look at OJ Simpson. He fought the courts tooth and nail (actually hair and nail) to determine how few hairs he would supply for DNA testing. This is NOT the characteristic of an innocent man, and you know it. All BHO has to do is supply the documents required and this whole mess will go away. HE is fueling the fire by not doing so.

 

First, this is not an "investigation". This is not a "witch hunt". Unlike the "investigation" in AK, this is a case pending before a judge. The judge has ordered the documents to be produced. Obama and the DNC are stalling until after the election.

I have never heard that candidates are "vetted" by the FBI to make sure they are legal citizens. Certainly, routine background checks would be in order. I don't think the FBI would handle this issue, but I could be wrong. They should be vetted by their party.

If I remember correctly, the issue was raised early with McCain. I think McCain was born on a military base overseas, and some where trying to say he was disqualified because of that. Unlike Obama, McCain cooperated and the matter was cleared up early.

Don't you think it is discrimination to hold McCain to a higher standard than Obama?

You don't put the country through a constitutional crisis to prove a personal point.

And Obama has not given even one.

Unless the records don't exist.

The judge has ruled that Obama and the DNC are to produce the records. Obama and the DNC have filed motions to delay the production of the records until after the election.

Maybe Obama doesn't have anything to hide. Based on his behavior in court, however, it looks like he does.

Why not just release the origional birth certificate and close this issue forever?

peace to youraying:

 

So giving the most powerful position in the world to a man we aren't even sure is legally a citizen doesn't bother you? Some of us still care. Obama has a proven record of deceit and lying on other issues until it becomes politically expedient for him to come clean & this is just one more issue of him being evasive which shows me he has something to hide - maybe the truth, again.

Plus, the fact that he wants to delay showing proof to the court shows he has no respect for the Rule of Law. And yet, he is probably going to appoint Supreme Court Justices if elected? Are these some of the changes Americans should expect under an Obama administration? Well, maybe you are right, CK, let's just have anarchy. Our country looks to be headed that way anyway.

 

It's a PA judge doing it, and that makes it a worthy discussion subject. It's not us. It's not our fault.

 

Is it possible that Obama is not a naturally born citizen of the United States?

"Someone is lying. According to Obama's Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room."



http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=3324 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3074

 

Maybe he IS a KENYAN.
Maybe he IS the False Prophet or the Anti Christ.
Maybe we ARE living in the LAST days.

Why would his grandmother say that she remembers being in the delivery room IN Kenya?

Please see the link to Israel national news on my thread about this subject.

Is it possible that Obama is not a naturally born citizen of the United States?

 

Not blaming anyone here alone - blaming all the dead horse beaters.

 

As long as it is an unsettled issue before a US court it is not a "dead horse" being beaten.:tonofbricks:

 

According to truth or fiction, this entire case is fiction http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-ordered-by-judge.htm

There are several other fact checking sites that agree with this.

Also, in the OP it clearly says.

He has produced a certified copy so even if the case did exist, he satisfied the requirement.