Legalize Methamphetamine!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by poncho, Nov 28, 2007.

  1. poncho

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    I’m the last guy who ought to argue for the legalization of meth.[1] As a practicing criminal defense attorney, I make a good income from defending people who are charged with drug crimes. If the drug war ended, I would lose a substantial portion of my income. Additionally, some would call me a health nut. I go to the gym six times a week and eat organic foods as often as possible. I wouldn’t change my healthy lifestyle if drugs were legal. I have three little kids. I don’t want them ever to become drug addicts. I want them to grow up in a safe world. Indeed, that’s exactly why I want the drug war to end.

    When I was in law school, a wise law professor of mine taught me that if you are asking the wrong question, the answer doesn’t matter. In regards to meth, the question is not whether meth is dangerous and unhealthy. Over the years, I have represented countless meth users. I have seen the consequences of meth use up close. I am convinced meth use will likely ruin the user’s life. It is an extraordinarily dangerous addictive drug. Few drugs are more addictive or dangerous than meth.[2] Many of those who oppose legalization of meth identify the horrors of meth use. I entirely agree with their assessment of meth’s dangers. Asking whether meth is dangerous or unhealthy or addictive is not the right question.

    The relevant question is whether our society would be better served if meth was manufactured, distributed, bought and sold legally. The answer is yes. There are two related but separate reasons why ending the drug war is critical. First, a free society requires that the drug war end. I refer to this argument as the freedom argument. Second, the consequences of ending the drug war would yield economic and other benefits which would greatly benefit our society. I refer to this argument as the consequentialist argument.

    Most readers will not be persuaded by the freedom argument. This fact is disturbing to me. In fact, many of the issues which plague our world will persist unless and until people come to respect the principles embodied in terms such as individual responsibility, self ownership and freedom. These concepts are what our country was founded upon and the very reason why America prospered. Now, they are given mere lip service if they are considered at all. If you shrug your shoulders and brush off the freedom argument, you should be ashamed of yourself. Whether you realize it or not, you are the problem.

    Continue on to the "The Freedom Argument"


     
  2. Bro. Curtis

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    If we legalize meth, what do we do with things like mellaril, thorazine, and other psychotropics ? Will we have to legalize them ? Should we regulate them at all ?
     
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    In my country, meth is called "shabu". My brother and a sister were both addicted to the substance.
    I have known others who have also been addicted to the substance.
    It triggers paranoia, intense suspicion, insomnia, no appetite for food, violence, and other criminal tendencies.
    A neighbor once burned down his grandmother's house because she wouldn't give him money to buy meth.
    Another neighbor axed his mother to death because she wouldn't give him money to buy meth.
    In another city, a brother and sister, both professionals, she a certified public accountant and he a civil engineer, had incestous relations, had a child, lost their jobs, and died miserably (both of them) because of meth.
    Legalize it ?
    No way.
    I fought the tendency to go vigilante and kill off meth pushers years ago, some of my friends went that way, and I had no feelings of pity at all for those they sent "floating down to sea", headless.
     
  4. poncho

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    So then you would rather keep..

    Meth labs open in residential neighborhoods?

    A steady supply of meth in the hands of dangerous street gangs?

    More and more tax money (your money that's coerced from you by force and the threat of force by the state) going to drug prohibition (that has proven to be ineffective) rather than to battle crime or address the actual drug abuse problem (demand) in a more effective manner?

    Why would anyone want that? I don't understand.

    Did you explain to your friends that went "vigilante" that all they were doing by "killing" pushers was temporarily decreasing the supply of the drug on the street while raising the price of the product and profitablity for their competitors still left to operate in the trade? I imagine the pushers left in business were quite grateful to your friends for increasing their customer base and personal wealth, even for a little bit.
     
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    Legalizing meth is not the solution.
    It will spawn more problems.
    First, legalizing meth will require that those manufacturing it secure a license, pass inspections, pay taxes, and such other stuff.
    Those costs will be passed on by the "businessmen" to the addicts, which means meth will cost more than it costs now.
    So what do you think happens ?
    They all go underground, dealer and user.
    You still have the control wars, and you still have unregulated drugs.
    And just because it goes legal doesn't mean the addicts will also lose their violence, their psychosis, and their other criminal tendencies.
    And THOSE are the real issues with illegal substances.
    The effects.
    What we need are harsher laws and stricter enforcement,
    I hate watching that tv show Intervention...seeing those addicts and drunks crying and generally acting like they were victims and need help.
    They brought it on themselves.
    They made their bed, they should lie on it.
     
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    The places where they lived, and operated as "vigilantes", are generally drug-free nowadays, and the streets are safer.

    It may offend you and some here, but in more ways than one, I sympathize with them, especially if you have crooked cops who become part of the problem instead of the solution.
     
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    This is a very bad idea, in my opinion.
     
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    If we are considering legalizing drugs (of any sort), let's look at the drugs that are already legal (prescription narcotics). Their legal status has not stopped their abuse, and it has not helped those who are addicted to them. There is still a black market for them, and we still have to fight them. So the idea that legalizing drugs will somehow help seems false, given the fact that we have already tried it.
     
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    If you're referring to the vigilantes, yes, I agree with you..it's a bad idea, which is why I resisted the impulse, but desperate situations sometimes breed desperate people and solutions.

    p.s.

    Sorry, Dagwood. I thought that was Carpro's post.
     
  10. EdSutton

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    LYeah! Legalize meth!

    Why not? :rolleyes:
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    Being confused for Carpro is like north being confused for south. :laugh:
     
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    :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    I agree with pinoybaptist, never legalize this terrible destruction. I've seen it up close also, and it is devastating.
     
  14. KenH

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    Amen. :thumbs:
     
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    If you legalize it, manufacturers will find some way to push it to your children or grandchildren who will in turn get addicted to it and rob, kill and destroy in order to obtain more.

    Legalization of drugs is an idiotic idea.
     
  16. KenH

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    If it is legal then the price would drop drastically and people will no more rob to obtain it than they do now to obtain legal drugs.
     
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    People rob to get a cheap bottle of wine, they would do the same thing for any addictive drug.
     
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    And the destruction of millions more lives for youngsters/people that are not now able or willing to try it. satan himself would love that.
     
  19. KenH

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    If not meth then it's other things.

    There are limited amounts of money to spend on law enforcement. I prefer that such money be allocated toward catching murderers, rapists, etc., instead of tilting at windmills attempting to save people from their own foolishness.
     
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    Our biggest legal drug is alcohol. It's legacy was and continues to be, broken homes, beaten spouses, beaten children (of which has also lead to many murder/suicides), petty thefts (as the displaced alcoholic has become homeless and no friend or family member will take him/her in, shop lifts just to survive), and the leading legacy of alcohol is highway accidents resulting in death.
    While all illegal drugs have contributed to much of the same above tragedies, with the example of alcohol before us legalization changes nothing.
    Another legacy of alcohol is that just before the abolition of prohibition some had the foresight to order shipments of booze to be stationed just off shore. At the time of the repeal of prohibition the ships landed and some of these enterprising merchants became instant millionaires. Joe Kennedy any one?
    So the "respectable" merchant soon will become the merchants of death legally.
    The use of legal or illegal drugs will bring the same result, death and destruction of society and family. You will never effect change of the human heart by government involvement or by govt non involvement.
    You'll effect change by the preaching of the Word of God and then by letting the Holy Spirit draw men unto Christ. However our society has deemed that message to be detrimental to humanity and as society pushes prayer and Bible studies out so too has the use of drugs been steadily climbing.
    Solution? Preach Jesus for the salvation of fallen, sinful men.
     

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