I have spent most of the day going through the book of Job for my husband for references for one of his lectures. Several interesting quotes sort of jumped out at me at times in relation to a lot of what has been discussed here. Here are a few of them: re: Calvinism -- Can papyrus grow tall where there is no marsh? Can reeds thrive without water? While still growing and uncut, they wither more quickly than grass. such is the destiny of all who forget God. (8:11-13) They already knew God was real. This is in line with Romans 1 and many other Bible passages. re: how were people saved before the Incarnation? Even now my witness is in heaven; my advocate is on high. My intercessor is my friend as my eyes pour out tears to God; on behalf of a man he pleads with God as a man pleads for his friend. (16:19-21) I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh will I see God; I myself will see him with my own eyes -- I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me! (19:25-27) Christ as Redeemer and Intercessor has been known from the beginning. Job lived at the time of the continental division of Peleg -- he was Peleg's nephew -- Joktan's thirteenth son (see Gen. 10:29) Men have always known. God made it known from the beginning. Some choose to forget.