Let's discuss purgatory

As I posted elsewhere, Purgatory denies that Christ died for our sins.
It denies the sufficiency of the blood of Christ.
It makes the death of Christ of none effect.
It makes us responsible to pay for our own sins rather than Christ paying the penalty.
It makes the grace of God by the work of Christ, into the works of men.

 

But so what? Having the mind of Christ is a part of our sanctification, not our justification.

 

I am simply answering the questions, but if you would like me to accompany my answers with Scripture I would be glad to.

First, I am justified by God on the basis of Christ's righteousness and obedience. His perfection is accounted to me.

As a result of God's work to me, He is doing a work in me to conform me to the image of His Son. Since I do not believe the Bible teaches total perfection in this life, I expect that I will always be growing (or takign steps backwards :laugh: ) until the day I die.

When I do die, it has not yet appeared exactly what I will be, but I do know that I will be just like Him because I will see Him as He is. But now we are the children of God.

So, to whatever degree I have conformed to the image of Christ between now and the day of my departure, it does not have any bearing on God's acceptance of my person into heaven. That is based on the finished work, perfection, and obedience of Christ.

 

In the Catholic Catachism.

 

That is actually a good answer. But note I'm putting foreward the actual Catholic belief about this issue rather than what has been said of it by someone else. Which is my point in talking about it to begin with. Often there is no meeting of the minds because deffinitions are comparable. Once you talking about the same thing you are better able to refute something.

 

First of all, what you quoted says nothing at all about having the mind of Christ.

Second, as I said before, having the mind of Christ is a part of our sanctification, not our justification.

 

From the perspective of the Catholic faith they cannot be one without the other. Just like salvation is inclusive with Theosis for the Catholic.

 

Actually, I think that is mistaken. From a biblical perspective there can't be one without the other. Whomever God justifies, He also sanctifies and glorifies.

What the papal teaching does is blur and mix sanctification and justification. They make justification as much as a process as sanctification.

 

>To make the statement like that website said, is to say that the blood of Christ which was offered and accepted by God the Father, did not fully expiate the sins of those for whom it was shed.

The catch is "for whom." Jesus died for the sins of every person ever born and who will be born.

 

No, actually that would take this discussion into a different direction regarding the extent of the atonement, and would create an Arminian/Calvinist debate, which on this subject is not necessary.

 

Let's just say there is no express teaching of purgatory in scripture. However purgatory is implied in 1 Corinthians 3:12-15.

It is also implied in 2 Maccabees 12:39-45.

 

Actually, that's referring to the Bema Seat Judgement, not to the heretical doctrine of Purgatory.

 

I never heard of Bema Seat Judgement. What's Bema?

 

It's where Christ will judge believers' works and reward them accordingly.

 

Why Bema? Doesn't that all occure at the great white throne judgement?

 

he meant "Bama"...as in Roll TIDE!!!!

In XC
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Hook 'em, Horns!

 

Two words...sin nature. Until our natures are shed at death, we will still desire to sin. It is a constant war within between the flesh and Spirit. The penal penalty of sin has been paid in full, however, and we are given a nature that has the power over the old.

 

Ask God, He makes the rules