LIberty University Lifts Hands and Praises God!

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  1. righteousdude2

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    Here is a neat 55 minute, live concert from Liberty University, led by Don Moen of Integrity Music. Can I suggest you leave the music on while you continue to do you cyber surfing and messaging? I think this concert of praise, and worship is well worth the time it takes to listen.

    I know there was a thread about a pastor saying we may not be saved if we don't sing in church; well, I can promise you this, if you can listen to this concert of praise and worship music and not join in by singing, clapping your hands and stomping your feet and toes, you may be deaf or just a little in need of a spiritual uplifting. This is some great music! ENJOY! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxTi4HmfydM
     
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    Or you may just be a dyed in the wool old time Calvinist:love2:
     
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    LIberty University Lifts Hands and Praises God!

    That's better than lifting their feet and praising the devil, ain't it?
     
  4. Berean

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    What do you think would happen in the Kingdom If we could get believers as enthused over the Word as they are over P & W?
     
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    I'd Rather Have.....

    I'd rather hear the old time hymns rather than the 7-11 type P&W choruses that are being hyped these days. As a general rule (there are,of course, exceptions) they were more doctrinally solid and focused and set the mood for Word-centered preaching. For the record....I think the music sets the tone and prepares the heart for the preaching of the Word to follow in a worship service. The wrong music will kill the spirit of the worship. I have seen this happen before. I know this is a controversial topic. You ask 10 different people about this topic and you'll likely get 10 different answers. As I said...for me...the new stuff and the be-boppy "CCM" pop-style musical accompaniment that often goes with it leaves me COLD. Just cause you can "tap your foot" to something doesn't mean it is "spirit-filled". Give me the old hymns of the faith if you wish to move me and warm my heart. The sad thing is that in many churches today hymnbooks are almost a thing of the past. I collect old hymnbooks and they are among my greatest treasures. Every now and then I will just take one of the old ones and sing them (those songs I do know...I regretably don't read music) between me and the Lord. I have enjoyed some real sweet times worshiping the Lord that way. Many of our youth have no idea about doing such a thing. God is oh so good!! "I'd rather have Jesus than silver and gold........!"

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    IF folks were just as exicited about witnessing as they were about singing their CCM, I might be more accepting of the "music"

    Greg, I do agree with you that most of the CCM is just fluff -no doctrine. And that constant repetition........

    found this old time Christian music station
     
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    Fail... the 90's called, they want their soft, theologically weak music back.
     
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    Our church is joining what we are told are growing numbers in our area ditching the ccm and powerpoint for the hymnal and some meat!
     
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    Amen!!!

    And Amen!!!! I wish ya'll well Brother.

    Bro.Greg:saint:
     
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    Agreed..

    I tied to listen but right off the bat I got to this line "And yes it is true
    Praise looks good on You"

    :BangHead:

    I couldn't listen anymore.
    terrible... just terrible. :tear:
     
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    Thanks...!

    Salty..That is an excellent website....I've actually been occasionally "feasting" on that one for several years. The music they play is both conservative and uplifting....nothing that would "appeal" to the world at all. Christian music ("our" family music..."psalms and hymns and spiritual songs"-Col.3:16) are supposed to be for us to use for the purpose of worship and edification....not for entertainment or even evangelistic appeal. Occasionally someone lost may observe the joy that we have (or should have) in these things and the Holy Spirit may use that to tug at their heart. That is good and it has happened probably more than we can know. That said, I believe OUR music ought to be distinctly different from the world's music in every respect. IMHO

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    Love these types of discussions. My question would be this.
    What constitutes an "old hymn", and what about "new hymns"?
    What about "old hymns" that are arranged a little differently musically, but keep the same
    lyrics?

     
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    Just My Opinion...

    Woody...welcome to the fray! My personal opinion about this is simply that most of the "old hymns" were and are found in the traditional hard-bound Hymnbooks and have been with us for (in some cases) hundreds of years. I don't know much about music composition but I am 58 years old and most all of the hymns I consider "old" preceeded me. There are some newer contemporary hymn writers such as Ron Hamilton and the late Alfred B.Smith (Mr. SingSpiration) (and others I'm sure)and the old Baxter-Stamps era "shaped-note" style of hymns that could be called "new" or more "contemporary". Personally, I even enjoy some of the more conservative Gospel Bluegrass groups like the Rochester family and Set Apart as well. I'm not at all into these CCM "artists" that feel the need to "tour" the arena circuit and charge exhorbitant "ticket prices" so they can "minister" to their "fans". The kind of groups I might be drawn to are local church based and not in it for the money or the motivation to "perform". Most of the "new" CCM stuff is dependent on the heavy use of "beat" style rhythm. I came out of a classic rock/heavy metal/Country Rock/Pop/Country type of musical background. It was a huge part of my life and I was daily dependent on it as a part of my lifestyle. I had several music collections in vinyl records and cassette tapes that I ultimately DESTROYED (and good riddance) They amounted to $thousands of dollars of my hard earned and completely wasted money. It is a complete mystery to me why anybody would want to take the musical styles of this world that clearly appeal to the lowest and basest parts of our fleshly natures and want to try and "Christianize" them to incorporate them into our "worship". I'll never believe that is acceptable to God....Sorry to go on a rant...but this kinda stuff gets personal to me. I'm as old-fashioned now as I EVER was "new and contemporary" before I got saved. Love not the world...1 John 2:15. Gotta stop before I really "pop" a gasket!:laugh:

    Bro.Greg:saint:
     
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    Ok fair enough. It does sound like (at least what I'm reading), is that you're more ranting on the "style" of music, i.e. beats, rhythms, compositions, than you are the lyrical points of music. There are a number of great Christian artists who write and produce music that is very steeped in scripture, but many automatically resist them because of the style of music that is presented with the lyrics.

    I guess I'm a tweener in that respect. I grew up singing, playing, loving the hymns, and I still do, and the church I serve as minister of music at we sing and play hymns in every service. However, in the past twenty or so years I have also enjoyed singing, playing, and learning what many would call "the new stuff", music that is recent and has (IMO) as much scriptural basis as the hymns...not all, but a good portion of it. I've learned to examine the music lyrically prior to adding it to our churches list of songs that we play/sing, ensuring that it is glorifying to God and is based in scripture.

    Music style has been a hot bed of conversation for decades, and I'm sure will continue to be as long as music is played and sung. For our local church, there are certain songs that (IMO) are not appropriate for a Sunday morning worship service, but are very appropriate for a youth gathering or a service that is aimed at targeting the un-churched population in our communities.

    One thing I have told our choir and our musicians in the last few months, that I have stopped labeling music as hymns or praise choruses or modern or older music. What our church plays and sings is worship music, period. We are blessed to have the talent in our church that we can play a classic hymn as How Great Thou Art with the traditional piano/organ ensemble, or we can play it with a little different rhythm and include our guitars, drums, woodwinds and brass instruments, either using a small vocal team or the entire choir. There are a number of great hymns lyrically that can be arranged a little differently musically and still keep the same worshipful content and reach ears that might not "like" the traditional style.

    With all that said, I do have one type of music that just bugs me to no end (must be the songwriter in me). The songs, choruses mainly, that have one verse, one chorus, and you're expected to repeat those over and over and over. I'm not a big fan of that at all. I think if you're going to take the time to write one verse of a song, make the effort to write at least two or three. :)
     
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    I might add, that a vast majority of the music that we sing on any given Sunday morning comes straight from our hymnal, which is very cool because our hymnal has many of the traditional favorites with some of the more recent collaborations included.
     
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    I have found that in most cases "Old Hymns" point to Christ or God (He Him) and CCM or "New Hymns" call attention to ones self (me my and we).
     
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    Ok, putting that to the test; a couple quick songs to test your theory...

    Our God - a more modern hymn/anthem

    Our God is greater Our God is stronger
    God, You are higher than any other
    Our God is Healer Awesome in power
    Our God
    Our God

    And if our God is for us Then who could ever stop us
    And if our God is with us Then what could stand against

    Is that what you're referring to, calling God "Our God"??

    btw, the bridge of the song "And if our God is for us...." is taken directly from Romans 8:31
    What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?

    And speaking of "I, me, we".....what about this little ditty?

    In The Garden - a popular/traditional hymn

    I come to the garden alone, while the dew is still on the roses
    and the voice I hear, falling on my ear
    the Son of God discloses...

    and He walks with me and He talks with me
    and He tells me I am His own
    and the words we share as we tarry there
    none other has ever known....

    Now, I don't desire to engage in a "battle of hymns old and new"....but we could break down song after song after song, both old/traditional and new/modern and see just how viable your statement is?
     
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    Really like Chris Tomlin......and Mercyme, ....and Phillips Craig and Dean....and Tenth Avenue North......and Casting Crowns.....and Big Daddy Weave....and Addison Road.....and Brandon Heath.....and Paul Cardall
     
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    Yeah, I like many of the artists who use their talents to praise God's name in song!

    Along with that, I still do and always will love and enjoy singing the hymns that have stood throughout history and IMO always will!
     
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    Well, folks....

    ....I guess I'm different from the group. I love most genres/styles of music. Of course I was a music major in junior college, and I'm well rounded as I can listen to Classical, rock, country, Gospel, blue grass, I even love the bagpipes and marching band music. Then I have a deep love for the oldies but goodies, and even some of the stuff from the days of old [40's swing].

    So when it comes to contemporary or traditional worship music, I fit in fine. I consider it giving my best in voice and heart to God when it comes to singing in church.

    That's why I can hnestly say that I loved this music and I can turn right around and give it my all when the hymnal is opened. :wavey:
     

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