Life elsewhere in the Universe

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  1. saturneptune

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    The UFO thread really went bizarre, as threads of this nature usually do, and as this one probably will.

    A much more serious question in my mind to ask, is there any Biblical reason there cannot be life somewhere in the universe besides earth? This of course is based on the fact that if there is, God created it. Any serious responses appreciated.

    This has nothing to do about the silly notion that life has visted or is visiting our planet.
     
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    I have doubts there is life (as we know it...carbon based... in the universe)

    But no biblical support....

    I have, however, contemplated the possibilities of other realities, or dimensions outside our universe. And within those realities or dimensions there may be "life" again, maybe not carbon based, but some other type... Can you imagine a reality that is not 3D, but only 2 dimensional?
    Can you imagine a reality in which time is opposite to ours..it would run backwards...

    Or can you imagine a reality in which it is a mirror reality to ours... but without sin...



    But again no biblical support.. all my fanciful imagination...
    I have talked to a scientist lately that tried to explain in scientific terms what I have stated here... It was just way over my head...



    Something about quarks and string theories, and how God contols those strings....And how dark matter may be interference from other realities... To read more about this go here... http://superstringtheory.com/basics/basic4.html
     
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  3. webdog

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    Our situation here on earth is very unique. A scientist in A Case For A Creator by Lee Strobel stated if the universe were to shift an inch in either direction, it would throw off the gravity here on earth to the point anything bigger than a small animal would be crushed by it's own weight.
     
  4. Analgesic

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    How silly. If the universe moved, the earth would move right along with it.
     
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    It's not silly to believe the earth was created unique in all the universe, and life on this planet is extremely fragile, that any small, insignificant change in the universe and life here could not exist, that we are sustained by God. Any slight change in the earths position in space would end all life on this planet.
    Not silly at all.
     
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    So you are a scientist?
     
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    You ain't; that's for sure. If the universe shifted an inch a small animal woud be crushed by its own weight? The universe cannot shift an inch, since there is nothing the universe can be shifted an inch in relation to, because the universe is all there is.
     
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    It wouldn't even take the universe shifting...

    ...just a minute change in the earth's orbital journey around the sun could possibly cause untold changes to life as we know it.

    The universe, including the earth and all of its inhabitants, is majestic beyond the scope of our understanding, yet, in reality, even more delicately-balanced than we would understand.

    God keeps everything He made in perfect check and manipulates it as He sees fit.

    Now about life elsewhere in the universe. I have no problem believing that there could be and probably is primitive life in the form of bacteria in places throughout the universe where there is also water. If it is there, then God placed it there for a reason. Do I know that for a fact?

    No.

    Do I automatically reject the idea because I don't have proof?

    No.

    However, I believe that human beings who inhabit the earth are the only living beings that are created in the image of Holy God and the only living beings in need of a Savior.

    And I believe that the earth is the only place with higher order living things.
     
  9. Analgesic

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    Nope, I'm just barely smart enough to realize that if the universe moved, the earth would move right along with it. You know, being a part of the universe and all. Yep.
     
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    LOP
    ___ = S1I, S1I x NFE = CTE.

    PTF

    Clear?
     
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    I don't understand why people say this. Why is bacteria likely to exist anywhere else? It sure isn't going to get there via biogenesis (chance), and I don't understand why God would create bacteria but stop there.
     
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    God can do what He pleases with His universe.

    And I, personally, cannot be so rigid in my thinking to believe that in the entirety of the universe there cannot be some primitive evidence of life sprinkled there by Almighty God.

    Why would He stop there with bacteria?

    Why did he stop here with mankind? Why are we the pinnacle of creation and not something better? Why did he make two genders and not one or three?

    It's His universe. If there is absolutely nothing else out there, that's fine. If there is something out there created by God for His pleasure, that's fine, too.
     
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    Maybe I wasn't clear enough, or need to be painfully accurate in order to get the point across...if the universe shifted around the earth. Better?
     
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    I don't recall saying I was, nor was that my statement.
     
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    Very well. On that point we agree.
     
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    You really missed my point. Two people (one being you) have suggested that there may be bacteria out there. I can't fathom why people say stuff like that. Why not say, "There may be fish out there?" Why wouldn't God create life as complicated as fish but nothing more? Or maybe, "There may be small mammals out there." Or maybe dinosaurs! But people don't say that. They say "bacteria".

    What makes people say "bacteria?" Do you think it's a simple enough form of life that it's somehow believable? It's not at all simple, by the way. It's a VERY complex form of life. A virus is also extremely complex, but a virus is a parasite. It needs another form of life to exist in order to survive.

    Anyway, I just don't get the credibility of extra-terrestrial bacteria.
     
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    Because bacteria does not need an earth rich atmosphere to live. Fish and dinosaurse do. You can not take a chunk of ice from the rings of Saturn, melt it, and place a fish and it live. It is not constructed the same elements which earth based water and ice are.

    Bacteria can live deep in the earth, the ocean, the ice without the atmosphere per say. I was commenting on the fact that OUR understanding of animals are completely based upon what we know regarding life here, and there isn't anything we 'actaully' know of that is like our earth out there. The only life out there would be completely different. Bacteria was simply an example of what could be out there that does not require the same needs animals and humans need. It is the only life form we have that is comparable to what 'could or might' be out there - IF anything.

    I was saying there isn't a populous of highly intellegent alien beings out there. If there were and there was the romotest possibility they would come into contact with us, God would have told us AND them.

    I think it would be kind cool if there were Star Trek, Babylon 5 type aliens out there and would rather not meet an Aliens type alien - IF such things existed.
     
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    Thank you, npetreley, for clarifying your question.

    Yes, bacteria are very complex lifeforms despite their being so small.

    I said bacteria partly because of part of what Allan said and partly because even tiny mammals and fish and tiny reptiles require very complex ecosystems.

    Bacteria do not, to my knowledge require the same ecosystematic complexities.

    (Is ecosystematic even a WORD? :laugh: )

    Who knows what's out there npetreley. I, quite frankly, don't think about it too much. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it is.
     
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    So what? If God creates bacteria somewhere else, He can also create a rich environment that would sustain any form of life. What reason would God have to create just enough resources to sustain bacteria but nothing more complicated than that? Why would you think God would do that? What possible motive is there?

    The only other thing I can imagine is that you're buying into the absurd notion that life can evolve from non-life, and you're only willing to stick your neck out as far as a simple life form like bacteria (not realizing that bacteria is actually amazingly complex).
     
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    Better, but you really should specify that you're speaking of the "rest of the universe shifting" around the earth. The universe as a whole could hardly shift around a part of itself.
     

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