List of things requiring ID

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  1. Revmitchell

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    Same list as above but including those that are constitutional rights:
     
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    Where does the constitution say we do not have to prove we are who we say we are? No one wants to keep American citizens from legally voting, we just want to know that before you cast your vote you are who you say you are, you are legal, and that you only have the opportunity to vote once in the area you are to vote in. Nothing about that is unreasonable. The constitutional argument is a strawman and or a red herring.
     
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    Says we must be a citizen, over the age of 18, and a non-felon to vote. There is no stipulation as to how this is to be determined. That is up to each state to decide. If they want to have photo voter ID's, let them have them. But this list of comparisons is silly because none of those things on that list are a constitutional right, except perhaps buying guns and ammo. Voting is a constitutional right. That is the difference.
     
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    It is not silly since it is a legitimate comparison. The idea behind it is that we require ID for much lesser things that are not constitutional rights and that impact our lives in much lesser ways but when it comes to voting which impacts our lives in profound ways we want to refuse to require them? That makes absolutely no sense. Repeating the mantra that it is a constitutional right in no way negates the need for an ID. Nor do ID's impede our ability to vote. That is a myth perpetuated by the extreme far left so as to allow illegals to vote and they can win an election they would not otherwise be able to win. Their ideas do not sell.
     
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    You need a photo id to purchase a gun or to fill out the license to manufacture a gun, so I would say the 2nd Amendment is recognized on that list.
     
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    Add - visit the doctor

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    We've been over and over this territory before. Normally I would now present several scenarios where a person would not have a valid ID, for whatever reason, yet still is entitled to vote. Photo voter ID would deny them the ability to vote.
     
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    Yeah, I allowed for that in a subsequent post:

     
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    Voting is not a right 'guaranteed' to anyone.
     
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    15th Amendment:
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

    19th Amendment
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

    24th Amendment
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

    26th Amendment
    The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

    So there it is again, the phrase, "the right of the citizens....to vote." Any citizen of any race, any sex, anyone over 18 has the right to vote.
     
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    Poppysheckle! Stating the reasons a presumed right cannot be denied is no guarantee of such right to anyone. If rights are recognized in such way, then G.Liddy was unconstitutionally imprisoned for refusing to answer questions that may incriminate him. Besides keeping and bearing arms would be *at least* the same level as voting, as that is spelled out with no exceptions.
     
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    Ha ha. OK, if you say so.

    The fact is voting rights were originally for white male property owners. As time went on the right needed to be clarified through amendments.

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    That's not the question we are discussing. It is: is the right to vote guaranteed to anyone by the constitution?
     
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    Sure, as long as the person is s citizen, at least 18 years old, and not a felon.

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    And is one day late moving into a new apartment in a new town to register?
     
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    Who is this person named "And Is"? Is he legally barred from voting?

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    That was a continuation, stupid, of your little list of the qualities of your hypothetical person and the reason he or she cannot be denied a vote with an example of why he or she can be so denied.
     
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    I see you don't like it when someone plays your childish game of bad grammar puns on you.

    That hypothetical person still has the right to vote. Logistics may be preventative. Still, in Minnesota that person would be able to vote since we have election day registration. One of the reasons Minnesota leads the nation in voter participation.
     
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    Be as evasive as you want to, but I showed the constitution does not guarantee anyone the right to vote. The fact that you say whether a person is allowed to vote may depend on the state such person lives in makes this unmistakable.
     

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