Featured "Listening to young atheists, Lessons for a stronger Christianity"

Seems like the issue is, "why are we losing our children when they leave the church". I would say we never had them, or they were not Christian in the first place.

Seeker sensitive teaching and preaching has left our churches with young people who only know of a god who can give them a more abundant life now. They know very little of the truths of scripture and when confronted with any opposition to Christianity they melt and give in to the enemy. Everyone touts that 75-80% of Christian kids leave the faith when they go to college, now do you really believe they were born again?

Sure teaching them what to be on guard for is good (Craig has a book by that title) but they need to be grounded in the gospel and not a counterfeit. :thumbs:

 

Lack of actual discipleship

 

Yes, our churches today like to pronounce kids saved by a decision they make after using pressure tactics, then they leave them to grow in Christ without much if any guidance. Now this isn't all churches, but I have seen it a lot in the SBC churches where I have been. How sad.

As a wise man once said, "can't lose what you don't have".

 

In other words, you tell young atheists that Genesis is best interpreted by atheists.

Good for you!:thumbs:

 

Yes. Not once was the Gospel preached. The wisdom of man? Yes. The Gospel? Not once. Exhortation to search out humanistic views of Scripture and other avenues of reason? Several times. Paul has something to say about such instruction as per 1 Corinthians 1 & 2.

 

QF,

Thanks for posting that valuable resource. As a BSM director and pastor of a church made up mostly of college students, it is right up my alley of ministry.

 

Au contraire. It's your argument boiled down.

But let's see if we can get a straightforward answer from you. You have stated that you believe Adam was the first man, but your Darwinism forces you to assert that he had parents, who weren't particularly human.

Now, if asked, what would you say to an atheist who asked about Adam's parents?

 

See? Asked point blank about your "evangelism," and you bail.

Here's another one. It's an easy yes or no question, but it is based on what you have directly asserted in a past interaction with me, that Adam was a real individual who was the first man. You couldn't bring yourself to confess that his body was made directly from the dust in a special act of God separate and unique from the naturalistic processes we're told by atheists that resulted in all life on earth.

So here is the question: Was Adam born? In other words, did his body gestate in the womb of another organism?

Yes or no?

 

Unless you're employing meanings in your post other than the prima facie reading thereof, you realize that you're forced into that view not by the Scriptures, but by Darwinism. (And by "Darwinism," I mean any of its multitudinous variations that describe a gradual (guided or not) development or evolution of an organism through succeeding generations.)

But your choice to use all caps in ADAM make me doubt your frankness, as well as your choice to say ADAM is a result, and not an individual.

Are you attempting to be clever? Be plain. And you know what I mean. Stop it with the beguiling jargon.

 

Oh. It's a Bruce Waltke device. On one hand pretending to affirm that Adam was an historical individual, but using ADAM in one's writing to signify an attempt to broaden the definition of the Hebrew term, and leave one some wiggle room to get out it.

You think you're being clever, but in reality you're being disingenuous.

I have yet to interact with a Darwinist who shows evidence of genuine faith.

 

Your accusation above concerning 'childish' is unfortunately nothing less than an inflammatory statement.

Secondly, your conclusions concerning 'biological parents' fails twofold: 1) It is extra-biblical in its subjectivity and is adding to the revelation of God; 2) It denies the power of God in creation to make man from dust as is stated in Scripture, something you are in fact denying in your statements. '

That said the alleged 'childishness' of others should be your least concern as extra-biblical teaching on your part has supplanted the former as the most grave error.

 

Wow... how do you reconcile this with the direct statement that God created Adam from the dust of the earth?

 

Here is something for the young and old alike;
http://evolutionvsgod.com/

 

Thought Provoking

With public schools indoctrinating the young with a godless world view, it is no wonder when kids "come of age," jell or whatever word describes deciding what they really believe for themselves, they turn away from luke warm evangelism.

Note that many were being taught what the bible says, rather than how to study the Bible to determine what it says. Thus they remained vulnerable to the internet world view which mischaracterizes the teachings of Christ. Many atheists attack Calvinism's irrationality, claiming they are addressing Christianity. The "trust me on this" answer gets a LOL response.

The highschoolers formed attachments with individuals, like charismatic youth leaders, rather than with serving Christ.

Many felt that the answers to well crafted questions found on dozens of atheist websites, evaded the issue, and provided no reasonable basis for the validity of the Bible. You know, the "did Adam have a belly button" chestnut.

Our Bible tells us how this will end, the scoffers will prevail before the Lord returns. But as bondservants of Christ, we are to stand firm so that we may win some.