Looking for pastorate.

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  1. Chad Whiteley

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    To whom it may concern:

    I am a fairly young pastor of 29 seeking to move east of the Rockies from my present church in California. I am originally from Texas and wife is from Arkansas and we are looking to find a place somewhat closer to our families (less than 1500 miles).

    Below are some peculiar doctrines I hold to. I want to establish these up front so everyone knows what to expect:

    The King James Version is the only version I will preach or teach from. I do not believe the King James to be inspired, but I do feel it is by far the superior English transalation,

    Unleavened bread and real (fermented) wine are to be used at the Lord's Supper. The participants to the feast must be members of the church taking the Lord's Supper. (closed communion)

    No boring praise and worship music. :sleep: Bluegrass, southern gospel and hymns are great.

    I am not divorced and remarried and will not fill the pulpit with those who are.

    I am an Arminian who believes in eternal security. I further believe that Calvinism is an abominable doctrine. :BangHead:

    Feel free to contact me if you know of any openings in churches that hold to these doctrines. I could care less about which fellowship they are in, although the church we are currently in is in the ABA. Further, I am open to moving to any state east of the Rockies from Maine to Texas, and from North Dakota to Florida.:wavey:

    Thanks!
     
  2. Jim1999

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    Arminian? There are loads of Pentecostal Churches in the country.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    No offense, but have you ever seen yourself as a depraved sinner and been willing to submit your life totally to the sovereignty of God and watching for Him to radically change your life, including making you willing to see things His way, rather than your own?
    Sorry, but your post so sounds like you've got it all worked out to suit yourself, where you'll serve, who with, when, how and whatever!
    Consider singing, 'Where He Leads Me I Will Follow!'.
    God bless your life and cause it to totally bring glory to Him alone! Soli deo gloria!
     
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    Why go back to a place where there are churches on every street corner? At least 90% of the people where you live do not attend any church.
     
  5. Chad Whiteley

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    Pentecostals are not Arminians. Let me clarify for people who have been misled by the Calvinists. Here are the Remonstrants, or the original Arminian articles:

    Article 1

    That God, by an eternal and unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ his Son, before the foundation of the world, hath determined, out of the fallen, sinful race of men, to save in Christ, for Christ’s sake, and through Christ, those who, through the grace of the Holy Ghost, shall believe on this his son Jesus, and shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through this grace, even to the end; and, on the other hand, to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath, and to condemn them as alienate from Christ, according to the word of the Gospel in John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him,” and according to other passages of Scripture also.

    Article 2

    That agreeably thereunto, Jesus Christ the Savior of the world, died for all men and for every man, so that he has obtained for them all, by his death on the cross, redemption and the forgiveness of sins; yet that no one actually enjoys this forgiveness of sins except the believer, according to the word of the Gospel of John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” And in the First Epistle of John 2:2: “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

    Article 3

    That man has not saving grace of himself, nor of the energy of his free will, inasmuch as he, in the state of apostasy and sin, can of an by himself neither think, will, nor do any thing that is truly good (such as saving Faith eminently is); but that it is needful that he be born again of God in Christ, through his Holy Spirit, and renewed in understanding, inclination, or will, and all his powers, in order that he may rightly understand, think, will, and effect what is truly good, according to the Word of Christ, John 15:5, “Without me ye can do nothing.”


    Article 4

    That this grace of God is the beginning, continuance, and accomplishment of all good, even to this extent, that the regenerate man himself, without prevenient or assisting, awakening, following and cooperative grace, can neither think, will, nor do good, nor withstand any temptations to evil; so that all good deeds or movements, that can be conceived, must be ascribed to the grace of God in Christ. but respects the mode of the operation of this grace, it is not irresistible; inasmuch as it is written concerning many, that they have resisted the Holy Ghost. Acts 7, and else&shy;where in many places.

    Article 5

    That those who are incorporated into Christ by true faith, and have thereby become partakers of his life-giving Spirit, have thereby full power to strive against Satan, sin, the world, and their own flesh, and to win the victory; it being well understood that it is ever through the assisting grace of the Holy Ghost; and that Jesus Christ assists them through his Spirit in all temptations, extends to them his hand, and if only they are ready for the conflict, and desire his help, and are not inactive, keeps them from falling, so that they, by no craft or power of Satan, can be misled nor plucked out of Christ’s hands, according to the Word of Christ, John 10:28: “Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” But whether they are capable, through negligence, of forsaking again the first beginning of their life in Christ, of again returning to this present evil world, of turning away from the holy doctrine which was delivered them, of losing a good conscience, of becoming devoid of grace, that must be more particularly determined out of the Holy Scripture, before we ourselves can teach it with the full persuasion of our mind.

    These Articles, thus set forth and taught, the Remonstrants deem agreeable to the Word of God, tending to edification, and, as regards this argument, sufficient for salvation, so that it is not necessary or edifying to rise higher or to descend deeper.

    Let me clarify that I did not post my original post to be antagonized. My wife and I have spent much time in prayer concerning these issues and feel that God is leading us back to the east. I am only posting here to see if I can find a position in church that is like-minded, not to debate doctrine.

    Thanks
     
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    Thanks for your input.

    I am making the assumption from your statement that you have never been to my city in California. Every place in California is not godless. I would consider many places in the Northeast and Midwest much less churched that the San Joaquin Valley.
     
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    all of the ones I've ever known were.
     
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    Pentecostals believe in a works-based salvation. I do not. Salvation is all of grace through belief in the shed blood of Jesus. That is what Arminians teach.

    The United Pentecostals, on the other hand, teach that salvation comes by repentance, baptism, and speaking in tongues. Where in the Remonstrants are such doctrines found?

    Pentecostals are labeled Arminians by Calvinists to marginalize true Arminians. Do not be misled by their propoganda.
     
  9. Jim1999

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    Ever thought about attending a good Baptist seminary before applying for a Baptist pastoral charge?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Dadgummit! Here I was thinking we had you marginalized. I guess we'll have to try harder.
     
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    I was born in CA and spent 37 years there. Have some cousins who lived in Manteca for several years. Lived in Texas for ten years and got sick of cultural religionists who saw church as an event rather than people needing to be won to Christ.
     
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    Before getting too sure about that security it would behoove you to know more about the biblical truths of calvinism and to not call 'abominable' what God calls holy and revered! He is sovereign because this world and everyone in it are His and under His rule and design, including the arminians who desecrate His doctrine with heretical error!
    How and when did you gather your erroneous opinions of calvinism, and for that matter, even arminianism?
    To pastor a church, be a shepherd and lead the sheep of God one must be very very sure they are preaching truth!
    You are in my prayers, that God will lead you where He wants you and into His truths!
    Read The Sovereignty of God by A.W. Pink and look up the many scriptures he uses to prove the doctrines of sovereignty and grace!
    God keep you in His care!
     
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    Where does he say what seminary he attended?
     
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    If you actually believe "that God is leading us back to the east", move back to the east. If you cannot find a church that is willing to believe everything you do :rolleyes:, start one. Every church out there is, is being, or was started from one or more believers, by design, save the first one at Jerusalem. And there is such a thing as "bi-vocational", which is not a bad word. If Paul could make tents, and Jesus could 'make cabinets', surely you can find something to do, at least in the early days of a new church. I am not preaching at you, as I am a farmer, but one of the long time leaders of KY Baptists always pastored fairly small churches, and was a dairy farmer.

    Ed
     
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    I don't understand the criticism here.

    I am opposed to all the positions presented in the OP but he seems to be presenting them not as judgment on others but as important theological criteria that are likely to be outside of the mainstream and difficult to find.

    For the record...
    1) I use a variety of english translations
    2) I practice open communion with grape juice and wafers
    3) I worship to CCM
    4) I am not opposed to divorced or remarried pastors
    5) I am probably less Arminian than I am Calvinistic

    I do think it is cool to use the real thing in communion.

    While I would never be a member of his church, I would let him know if any church like that was around me and looking. None of his positions are outside of Baptist tradition but the combination of traits may be difficult to find, particularly the combination of fermented wine and Arminianism with the other traits.
     
  16. Chad Whiteley

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    I am bi-vocational. I just finished a 50 hour week at the warehouse in which I work. I do not know which part of my post made you think I wanted a full time pastorate.
     
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    No clue, particularly. Just a suggestion as to moving east, and how to support one's self financially, to start with, at least. And if there are warehouses where you are, and since you are good at it, I'd bet there are at least a few where you are speaking of, as well.

    Ed
     
  18. Jim1999

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    I wonder is the thread title had anything to do with it? "Looking for a Pastorate"

    Just a thought. Which Baptist seminary or Bible College did you attend?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  19. Chad Whiteley

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    I attended Central Baptist College in Conway, Arkansas for my Biblical studies. I am presently enrolled in Colorado Christian University in an online accounting program. When I finish CCU, I intend on doing graduate work at BMATS in Jacksonville, Texas and obtain a M.DIv. I am not sure exactly which school I will go to for my D.Min, but it is one step at a time. Besides, most seminaries require 3 years of practical ministry after the M.Div before they accept candidates into the D.Min. program. So the D.Min is quite a few years away.

    Can someone here supply scripture to sustain the neccesity of a seminary anyway? I have long held that the best place for preachers to learn is by the side of another pastor working in their local church. But that is another topic, and another issue altogether.

    I really had figured that my Baptist "brethren" would be more civil. I am actually shocked at how many people attacked me without warrant. I will make a note of that so I can avoid conflict in the future.

    Well, now that we have completely skirted the issue, and nobody has any helpful input . . . we have accomplished nothing. Go figure.
     
  20. rbell

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    not all folks on the BB launch into attack mode so easily, my friend.

    I would disagree on you with some issues, but that's not the point of the thread.

    God bless you and your ministry. Hope you find a place of service.
     

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