Definitions Source: "Free Grace" view affirms regeneration and the "inevitability" of good works by believers. "Free Grace" thus postulates that good works are inevitable but should not be taken as evidence of one's salvation or righteous standing before God. Lordship salvation, on the other hand, criticize opponents as advocating "carnal Christianity" by leaving open the possibility of indulging in sinful behaviour and still sharing equal assurance as one who is in some degree subduing sin. ____________________ In the DVD "Amazing Grace: The History of Theology of Calvinism", I'm trying to understand what the authors of this DVD mean when they say in Disc 1, Chapter 12, Perseverance of the Saints, Time of 3:55: _______________________ Arminians wrongly say: "Lordship of Christ is only something for mature believers" and "I'm saved because I prayed the prayer when I was 10 years only, even though I may not be following the Lord now" While the DVD claims these positions by Armenians, they show photos and names as follows: Zane Hodge - Author of Absolutely Free! A Biblical Reply to Lordship Salvation C.I. Scofield Charles Ryrie J.N. Darby __________________________ The narrator of the DVD doesn't explain himself very well so I'm trying to understand what is he talking about. It looks like they are identifying dispensationalists as those that opposes the Perserverance of the Saints by teaching Free Grace, and thus they are opposed to Perserverance of the Saints. This is confusing to me because I thought dispensationalists DID believe in the "Perseverance of the Saints" (or at least a similar term "eternal security" which I'm not sure if it has different nuances to some people.) So I googled and found this controversy is called the "Lordship Salvation" controversy and there are attempts to define it here: http://www.theopedia.com/Lordship_salvation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordship_salvation_controversy My questions are: 1. Is there an easy way to summarize this controversy? It seems to be a lot of questions about cause and effect, and debates about reverse causality. 2. Are all dispensationalists listed above supportive of Free Grace Arminianism as the DVD claims? I heard that Darby was a strong supporter of most or almost all of the points of Doctrines of Grace, and he even had a big public debate with Moody who supported Free will. 3. Are there broader or deeper additional differences between dispensationalists and Calvinists, that exist which often set dispensationalists against Calvinists so these two groups often find reasons to be at odds with each other. It seems that since Reformed people reject dispensationalisms idea of a special future for the Nation of Israel, and Dispensationalists (and Baptists) reject "Reformed" views on infant regeneration/baptism, they tend to often pick many battles against each other, resulting in majoring on minor nuances. Here is a website that helps answer some of these questions from one dispensationalists point of view: http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/doctrine/hodgesnb.htm http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/doctrine/danger05.htm Please let me know if you have any insights into the questions above. Thanks in advance.