Made righteous by Christ obedience.

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    Rom 5:19

    For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    Just as adams disobedience made many sinners, so likewise, Jesus christ obedience made many sinners righteous..

    Not their obedience, not their faith [which is obedience], not their water baptism, not their repentance..but Jesus christ obedience made them righteous before God..

    The word made is the greek word:

    kathistēmi which means:

    to constitute, to render, make, cause to be

    to set down as, constitute, to declare, show to be



    This took no action on behalf of the one or ones being rendered or constituted righteous, just as it took no action on their part, to be rendered or constituted sinners..adam did for the one, and Jesus christ did it for the other..

    This verse actually condemns 99.9 % of the religons of the world..
     
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    In the same way that saying words "makes" people married?
     
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    Now. who was made sinners in Rom 5:19 by the disobedience of one, that is adam, and who shall be made righteous by the obedience of one, that is Jesus christ ? Its the many for whom Jesus was made a ransom..

    Matt 20:28

    Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

    Its the church of God..Eph 5:25

    Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;


    It was all of the elect of God who had been given physical being in adam in the beginning..

    Now, it must be understood, that this excludes the non elect, which also is the seed of the devil..

    For the devils people never fell in adam, nor rose with christ..

    The devils people sinned in their father the devil, whom sinned in the beginning..

    They shall never be made righteous by the devils obedience, nor by christ obedience..
     
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    What? Are you saying that there are two races of man? That Adam is numbered with the race of the Elect which fell but the race which was non elect was always with Satan even before Adam? Is this what you are saying?
     
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    Reeks of the "two seed"/"serpet seed" doctrine if you ask me.
     
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    How many of you feel "righteous" in your guts even if you may think you are "saved?" I don't!
     
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    I never heard of this doctrine. Can you explain it?
     
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    Yes, the Elect and Non Elect. When God spoke to Rebekah she was told that two manner of people were in her ! Gen 25:23

    And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.


    Exactly. God told Satan that he had a seed Gen 3:14-15

    14And the LORD God said unto the serpent[the devil], Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

    15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    Now if we take God at His Word, He clearly told the devil that he had a seed, and that the woman [Adam and Eve] had a seed. So they could not be the same seed !

    Adam and Eve were Created in the Image and Likeness of God, now are you going to tell me that the serpents seed was made that way also ?
     
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    I do believe in the Two Seeds, but not in the way most people do who believe that. I do not believe that satan had any contact with Eve, except for their conversation in Gen 3 which was non physical ! I mean God said there are Two Seeds Gen 3:15, why not believe it ?
     
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    Explain your view. Are you saying God created two races of men one evil and one good and the good race fell? Do you hold that the Neanderthals were evil seed men and Adam was good seed men. Or do you hold a more racist view as is common with this belief pattern. Do you believe the Jews are the evil seed? Or how about Black Africans? Just asking.
     
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    Also do you believe in Lilith?
     
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    think said

    What Have I explained so far in post 8 ? Rehearse that with me, then we will continue !
     
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    All you have explained is that there are two races of men. One from the seed of Satan (though you don't believe he had intercourse with Eve) and one from the seed of Eve. Whom then are these two races? Who are the seed of Satan and how did they come to be? Did Satan create them? Did God create them? Did they exist before Adam? Do you hold that God created Adam from the dust of the earth then created Lilith from the dust of the earth and when she didn't want to be subservient to Adam she left him with the agreement that she would permit 100 of her children to die daily? - Alphabet of Ben Sira. Thus God made Eve from Adams side and she was subservient. Do you think Satan and Lilith had kids?

    Just curious.
     
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    Thats not all I stated !
     
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    That's all I saw. You quoted scripture to support your two seed view but you didn't really explain anything else. Who are the two seeds apart from election?
     
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    Then i do not need to be discussing things with you, because more was there.
     
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    do you hold that either God declares us just and rightious based upon receiving Christ , that He imputes the act of Christ towards us as s[iritual credit, or do you hold that jesus makes us actually rightious in ourselves, that we have not imputed/credited , but an actual real rightious?
     
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    Ask a simple question, get a....well...

    Savedbymercy said that the Elect and Non Elect are two races of men. God told Rebekah that two manner of people were in her (Gen 25:23). God told Satan that he had a seed (Gen 3:14-15).

    I believe what was implied in his question was that Adam and Eve were created in God’s image, the seed of the serpent was not. The devil has a seed that is different from the seed of the woman. In this sense, I take it a spiritual sense, there are two races of men.
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    >Yes, the Elect and Non Elect. When God spoke to Rebekah she was told that two manner of people were in her ! Gen 25:23

    >And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

    Then salvation is inherited?
     
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    I don't think it would be "inherited," because he is viewing them as seperate races - something from an altogether different "seed."
     
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