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Featured Makers of KJV as Bible revisers

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Logos1560, Aug 13, 2013.

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    The Adventists ARE a "cult". We have always allowed the use of the "c" word in cases dealing with Mormon, Adventist, JW's, Christian Science, Moonies, et al.

    The Adventists adopted and promoted the KJVonly position decades prior to any Baptist espousing it. That cult has since abandoned the KJVonly (though my Adventist friends still use only the KJV) position.

    Remember, I carry a 1769 Oxford revision of the AV1611 (Scofield notes, too) to church weekly. NO ONE is attacking the KJV; they are attacking the Adventist-originated KJVonly position.

    Amazing to see Baptists defending that view, but there is a great Baptist position of soul liberty . .
     
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  2. Yeshua1

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    How can the KJVO claim that their 1611 version is the perfect One, when they also would recognise 1769 revisions, and also the geneva bible itself, and they do NOT all agree exactly the same?
     
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    KJV-only author Mickey Carter wrote: "Best authorities in our viewpoint are the King James Version translators" (Things That Are Different Are Not the Same, p. 154). Donald Clarke noted: "The 'best authorities' become the final authority; the Bible must submit its message and authority to their critical scrutiny" (Bible Version Manual, p. 56).

    KJV defender D. A. Waite claimed: "The King James Bible is God's Word kept intact in English because of its superior translators" (Defending the KJB, p. 63).

    Ian Paisley wrote: "The translators of the English Authorised Version (KJV) of the Holy Bible are pre-eminent in their saintliness and scholarship" (Plea for the Old Sword, p. 30).

    Does a KJV-only theory imply or suggest that God could not guide and work through William Tyndale, Miles Coverdale, John Rogers, and the translators of the Geneva Bible the same exact way that is claimed for an exclusive group of Church of England scholars in 1611?
     
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  4. Yeshua1

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    Bigger question is did jesus promise ongoing inspiration from the Spriit to seperate english versions, or did he confine that to the revelation from god of the originals themselves?

    For those advocating KJVO position MUST have the Spirit inspiring the KJV translators same fashion as he did the Apsotles to produce their originals!
     
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    Is it interesting that some who would most strongly attack and condemn Calvinism in effect seem to use the most extreme, hyper-Calvinistic-type reasoning when it comes to advocating a man-made KJV-only theory?
     
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  6. Yeshua1

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    using their own logic, why couldn't the Esv be a calvinist version, the HCSB be SBC only version etc?
     
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    :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::applause:
     
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    KJVO critics have shattered the false myth of the KJV (in its many incarnations) as being perfect and what all English-speaking Christians need to use. We have shattered the false,flimsy,hypocritical and sinful premise of the KJVO mentallity that other versions of the the Bible are not also the Word of God.

    Do you believe that in the sovereignty of God He has raised up many translations of the Word of God in English ? Do you believe that in His providence He has caused the NIV (in its several forms) to be so popular in the last several decades around the world? Now be consistent DJA.
     
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    This has to be one of the dumber things ever said on this board.
     
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  10. Yeshua1

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    That would make it a real whopper!

    As there have benn severa"interesting" things said on this board!
     
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    the KJVO position claims that the 1611 Kjv was the prefect word of God to us in english, yet the translators themselves NEVER stated as such, as they viewed the geneva/Bishop/Tynsdale etc as being the english word of God also!
    Also, they brought in some renderings that reflected needing to keep King james happy, and to keep items like water baptism as they saw it...

    They also used differing TR/Vulagates and other sources, so somehow imperfect humans, using imperfect source docs/texts created a "perfect" translation? Would HAVE to be the truth the Kjv team hadsame inspiration that Apsotles had to write scriptures, to have them have that to creat a perfect transaltion!
     
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    That is a bogus, false accusation that bears false witness against believers in God and in the Scriptures.

    Disagreeing with the non-scriptural and unproven opinions and fallacies of a KJV-only theory is not acting like evolutionists.

    It is KJV-only advocates that could accurately be said to use fallacies and faulty reasoning like evolutionists do in order to promote their unproven theory.
     
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    You fail to practice what you preach or assert.

    KJV-only advocates spend more time attacking and misrepresenting modern translations instead of in honoring the KJV-only burden of proof and proving their claims concerning the KJV.

    The fact is that attacks on other translations and comparing them to the KJV as the assumed standard [using the begging the question fallacy] does not prove the claim that the KJV is the perfect, infallible and inerrant standard.
     
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    Wouldn't the One standard to compare versions to be the originals themselves?
    So by making the Kjv the standard of comparison, they are essentialling making their version equal to, same as the originals?
     
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    Attributing to a man-made document/book the perfection/attributes of God is classified as "bibliolatry". God will not hold guiltless those who give HIS glory to "another".

    I have a wonderful compilation of all 5500 Greek texts/fragments that have every single Word of God in my hand. I can look at any verse/phrase in it and see if any variant (from copies of copies of copies where man-made error is rampant) exists and what the original was.

    Yet not have an actual original - which would be worshiped and venerated if such existed. God loves us enough to preserve EVERY one of His Words yet not in an idolatrous setting.
     
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    yet if a KJVO staes and holds that their version IS indeed perfect in all that it records, isn't that saying its equal to being the originals for us today?
     
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    Wow, so you think the Bible is a "man-made document"?

    And the scriptures themselves say God has magnified his word above his very name;

    Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

    I rather think God will hold those guilty who do not magnify his word as he does.
     
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    We are to worship and honor only the Creator, for while none of our bible versions are totally perfect, He is!
     
    #38 Yeshua1, Aug 15, 2013
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    David knew nothing of a King James Version when he wrote this.
     
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  20. Winman

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    And what is his name?

    Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

    The scriptures represent Jesus himself, Jesus is "The Word of God". This is one reason I believe God has preserved his Word, and I believe in English it is in the King James Bible.

    You say only the original autographs are preserved, but the original autographs were lost many centuries ago. If the scriptures are preserved, they MUST be preserved in a copy.

    Don't be fooled when you are told the scriptures are preserved in the original autographs folks, that is a lie. When they tell you that, ask to see and hold the originals. :thumbsup:
     
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