Today, is there a natural born human being who is neither lost or saved? Is there a natural born human being who is neither regenerate or unregenerate? Is there a natural human being neither "in the flesh" or "in the Spirit"? Is there a natural human being who is neither in the kingdom of Satan or the kingdom of God's dear Son? Is there a natural born human being who is neither a sinner or a saint? Is there a natural born human being who is neither condemned or justified? Is there a natural born human being who is neither spiritually separated from God or in union with God? Does such a natural born human being exist today? If sin and spiritual separation is the common lot of all natural born human beings is it possible for such a natural born human being to ever exist that could not be characterized by one or the other of these contrasting conditions? For example, could a natural born human being at any period in history be anything but lost, unregenerate, in the flesh, in the kingdom of Satan, a sinner, condemned, spiritually separated from God???? Is it possible that any natural born human being who is a sinner and spiritually separated from God be considered anything less than all of these characteristic since such characteristics today inherently demand these characteristics or are there two different kinds of natural born human beings existing, one kind before the cross and another kind after the cross??? For example, if a natural born human being could not be characterized by these negatives does not that automatically demand they must be characterized by those characteristics listed above which are in contrast to those negatives? Can any human being today be said to be "saved" who is spiritually separated from God, thus WITHOUT GOD. Can any human being today be said to be "saved" who is not justified by faith, thus still in sin and still condemned by sin? Can any human being today be said to be "saved" whose sins are not remitted? Can any human being today be said to be "saved" who is without righteousness before God? If sin and spiritual separation is the common lot of all natural born humans in all ages, is it possible for such a natural born human being could be regarded as "saved" but WITHOUT GOD = spiritually separated from God, "saved" but STILL IN THEIR SINS? Is it possible that animals sacrifices could ever LITERALLY atone for human sin? If the first sacrifice of a lamb in the Bible by Abel did not procures remission of sins but only gave "witness" that he was already righteous by faith in the gospel promise: 1 ¶ Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. 4 ¶ By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. Therefore, his justified condition (righteousness) before God was not obtained by the sacrifice but the sacrifice obtained only the "witness" that he "WAS" already justified "by faith" before he offered the sacrifice. Hence, the sacrifices were like baptism and the Lord's Supper - DECLARATIVE rather than sacramental in obtaining justification (remission of sins and righteousness). If it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could ever take away sins (Heb. 10:4) LITERALLY but were only a "shadow" (Heb. 10:1) removal, thus CEREMONIAL or TYPICAL, then how could the prophets speak in the present tense that God had removed their sins from them "as far as the East is from the West" and "remember them no more" and David claim to be "the blessed man" who possessed present tense forgiveness of sins then and forever (Rom. 4:6-8)? As you consider these questions, how is it possible that any human being living prior to Pentecost could be set forth as not only OUR EXAMPLE for justification "before God" by faith but also THE EXAMPLE for "ALL WHO ARE OF FAITH" with regard to justification "before God" if there sins could not be remitted, thus they could not actually be justified "before God" as supposedly only we can after the cross? If the problem is indwelling sin and its power coupled with spiritual separation as its consequence, how can there be any kind of present tense salvation where the power of indwelling sin and spiritual separation from God REMAINS? How can there be any kind of progressive sanctification? How can there be any "fruit of the Spirit" such as "joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, gentleness" if there is no indwelling Spirit or no regenerate new nature like God's nature? How can any such human "walk with God" or be called "the friend of God" if indwelling sin and spiritual separation from God is their actual condition? I declare that there can't be any kind of salvation existing in such a state at any time in history and that salvation has always been the same and equal to the problem of sin and spiritual separation. Only those who embrace the false doctrine of church salvation (universal church theories - visible and invisible) teach contrariwise and must because their salvation is inseparable from the church by their perverted view of the baptism in the Spirit which both are 4000 years too late for the problem of sin and spiritual separation from God. I say that the elect, all of the elect from Genesis to Revelation were chosen "in him" before the world began (Eph. 1:4) and outside of him there is no salvation, no gospel or good news for anyone at any time. I say those who oppose this eternal truth fail to distinguish between things that differ, namely, the difference between individual (1 Cor. 6:19) and institutional indwelling (1 Cor. 3:16). I say they fail to understand the "mystery" of the gospel which has nothing to do about the APPLICATION or SUFFICIENCY of the gospel salvation at any time in history from Genesis 3:15 to Revelation 14:6 but has to do with the revealed means of Christ's death "the cross") and the revealed equality of gentiles in the kingdom of God through the great Commission (Eph. 3;1-5) and other revelatory details, but absolutely nothing to do with salvation application before or after the cross. I say that if justification which is based solely on the cross can be applied to individuals BEFORE the cross so can any other aspect of salvation with the lone exception of final salvation or being made "perfect" in spirit, soul and body (Heb. 11:39-40).