Marriage bed undefiled?

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  1. webdog

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    On the sodomites in church thread, it was implied by a poster that sodomy and oral sex between husband and wife were wrong. What does "undefiled" mean in regards to the "marriage bed"? Moderators, this is not a "mens only" topic, but a topic affecting both husbands and wives, so please do not move it to the men's only form as this is not for men only.
     
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    You ever eat soup broth with a fork? It isn't the right way to do it, is it?

    Sodomy isn't the right way to do it. We usally limit Sodomites to homosexuals but this really makes you think doesn't it?
     
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    I dont see how it could be preferable, but within marriage, I say go for whatever both agree to as long as it doesnt include other people or involve something potentially harmful.

    I fear that we teach our Christian teens that its bad bad bad until you get that wedding certificate, then they are left confused and guilty and often empty as they do not understand God's gift of the marriage act.
     
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    Sodomy is physically dangerous for the recipient.

    The other is between a husband and wife is is totally private.

    To keep the marriage bed undefiled is in reference to infidelity -- even mental, I should think.
     
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    As blackbird pointed out to me, this thread could degrade quickly (not that anyone has done that up to this point). Please keep it to what "undefiled" means within the context of marriage. Does Scripture allow or forbid certain "marital" relationships?
     
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    Helen hit undefiled on the head.
     
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    I agree that Helen nailed the meaning of the word 'undefiled' however I would like to add that the marriage bed should be kept to what is natural.

    Comparing Scripture with Scripture we find that unnatural acts are frowned upon by the Lord. Oral sex, IMO, is unnatural. Therefore, one would 'defile' the marriage bed by this act. Sodomy is a no-brainer, unnatural to the extreme.

    Ro 1:26
    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    Ro 1:27
    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    I realize that some would protest these verses and say they are exclusively aimed at Homos and Lesbos, but the fact that the Apostle notes that unnatural affections are vile should teach one that only what is natural in the marriage bed is pure and good in the site of God.
     
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    What goes on in a husband's and wife's bed is totally between them and the Lord.
    The husband should please the wife.
    The wife should please the husband.
    Both should please the Lord!
    Period.

    This could degrade real fast. So before it does....
    1 Corinthians 7:1-4
    (1) Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman.
    (2) Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
    (3) Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
    (4) The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
     
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    Whatever the two parties involved agree upon is good.
     
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    I am one who would protest. The construction of the verse indicates that Paul is defining the opposite of natural (i.e. unnatural) as homosexual. The context of the verse isn't talking about sexual positions at all. Such an interpretation stretches the text too far.
     
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    These verse are talking about homosexuality, not a married man and wife. If you try and apply it to marriage you change the meaning and twist scripture.
     
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    Part of the problem is the definition. When one says "sodomy" they MAY mean its primary meaning (gay sexual anal intercourse). Others, however, read the word in only a peripheral meaning (oral sex between heterosexual)

    What a husband/wife do for sexual pleasure is their business as long as it does not violate the fidelity and purity of the marriage bed.

    (This is a "touchy" subject and appreciate all being careful in the discussion)
     
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    A careful and thorough study of Song of Solomon left me with not only bugged out eyes and teeth on the floor, but a completely new understanding of God's plan for the "marriage bed".
     
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    I agree. It is not preaching about how to have an undefiled marriage bed. It is saying that the marriage bed is undefiled. Its the whoremongerors and adulters that God judges.

    I do have an opinion that is not backed up by Scripture. Wasn't sex created by God as an enjoyable way to produce offspring? Wasn't it made to work one way? Didn't the homo croud invent the other ways to make intercourse work somehow between the two parties? If so, why would we want to imitate their actions? Could these other ways be a health risk?

    I don't think God will judge people for doing so in a marriage, but it does seem to change what we were made to do. God made our digestive system for plants (and later animals), why would we eat dirt or rocks just because we can and may somehow be able to survive doing such. If God made our arm so that the elbow only bends forward, why would we want to make it bend backward? This is just food for thought.
     
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    Been a while for me since spending time in SOS, maybe I'll sleep on this one tonight. Thanks (mash) taters...
     
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    They who disagreed with my post evidently did not read it with comprehension. Had they done so they would have been able to make the connection between what is "natural" and "unnatural". (Pardon the pun)

    Oral sex is unnatrual. The mouth is not a sex organ used for reproduction. God did not make us that way. Therefore, oral sex is unnatural. Some creatures in the animal world do however use their mouths, but let's not go there.

    The same is true of the anal organ. Nuff said there.

    Someone else made mention of the fact that it was the homo crowd who perverted the right use of sex. In their lust to imitate what is natural they invented an alternative. That alternative IS unnatural. God calls the alternative VILE. You will notice that the injunction against homos also included lesbos. Without getting graphic, please think about exactly what it is that lesbos do to each other!!! God calls that act VILE!

    But of course, there will still be some who will cry foul when faced with this reality. I suspect it is because it hits too close to home.

    2Co 10:12
    ΒΆ For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, ARE NOT WISE.
     
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    What is sin to one is not sin to another. The two are one and if agree then no sin. If one or both consider such things for themselves to be sin, it will be, and should not be done.

    As I see it, how can a man and woman commit the sin of the Homosexual? We are Heterosexual and our bed is not defiled, for we do what comes naturally. If in our "lust" for each other, we think it unnatural, we won't do it.


    What is not natural is doing such things as these with someone made like us. It is sin for them whether or not they think it is.

    A good verse to include in our thinking is Genesis 19:4-8, "But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
    5. And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
    6. And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
    7. And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
    8. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof."

    What is natural, and what is not natural?
     
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    Now THAT made me spew tea. Maybe YOUR mouth is not sexual, but from my first kiss until today, my mouth would disagree with you! :confused: It is a VITAL part of a godly physical/sexual relationship.

    Sodomy is NOT (primary definition) anything to do with the mouth, for goodness sake.
     
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    IMHO, this thread DOES belong in a private forum out of respect for all of the young people we have as members of this board.
     
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    Sue, I do not mean to be argumentative or disrespectful to you and I'm not going to put my two cents in on the topic at hand, being as I am not married and although I do have my own beliefs on this topic, a single woman joining in this conversation would offend some people....

    .....but as for the "young people". I can tell you know that they know more about the topic of sex than do most people reading and posting on this thread. I've seen that in with young people in my church, the christian school I taught at, and the public one.

    And the information that they have, for the most part is incorrect, self-centered, and immoral.

    I for one believe that young people need to know what the bible has to say and what christians believe. I don't think we are offending or tempting any young people by having this type of thread.

    That's all I'm going to post, here.

     
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