Marriage supper of the Lamb

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  1. freeatlast

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    The following link is to a site that gets into the marriage supper of the Lamb. It also speaks of a marriage supper for God as a separate marriage. To be honest this second part is new to me. If anyone is interested and has information or a different view on the second marriage I would like to hear about it after you read the article. God bless. [​IMG]
    http://www.ifca.org/voice/7Jan-Feb/lamb.htm
     
  2. Frogman

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    As a Baptist Brider, I certainly don't disagree with his belief and I think he has done a very good job presenting it from a Biblical position.

    I remember Israel being called the wife of God, but I am not sure I am in agreement with a 'second' marriage; I have never heard it either, so I don't know what to say about it.

    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]
     
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    You're a Baptist Brider?
     
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    Perhaps this is the same supper:

    Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in mid heaven, Come and be gathered together unto the great supper of God ;
    18 that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses and of them that sit thereon, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, and small and great.
     
  5. Ed Edwards

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    I find that hard to believe, Grass.

    1. Wedding Supper of the Lamb (Rev 19:10
    2: Supper of God (Rev 19:17)

    Guests:
    1. the O.T. Elect Saints
    2. birds

    Meal:
    1. (traditional Jewish feed)
    2. The flesh of warriors

    Two different events.

    BTW, Freeatlast, there is
    one marriage and one marriage supper.
    There are NOT two marriages.
    One is a marriage, one is a celebration
    of a marriage.

    IMHO the marriage supper takes place in
    heaven just before the Second Advent of
    Jesus for, in General, Revelation is
    linear. Chapter 19 speaks of the
    Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

    The marriage is to the
    Gentile Age, born-again, Christian
    elect saints type Church. This church
    is also shown AS the body of Christ.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. DeafPosttrib

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    I would like to discuss about the Bride of Christ.

    Dispensationalism teaches, Israel is God's wife; Church is Christ's Bride. They saying, Israel is not Christ's Bride. Also, they saying, 'tribulation' saints are not the bride of Christ.

    Actually, there is NO difference between 'God's wife' & 'Christ's bride', both are same.

    I am sure that, some dispensationalists use Isaiah 50:1 telling us, God divorced Israel.

    Dispensationaism teaches God have different programs for Israel and Church in different times.

    Dispensationalism teaches, during Old Testament period, saints have to keep the laws and obey them for the salvation, that was their works of the salvation. Right now, we are under the New Testament period, we are not under the law and works, we are under the grace. We are saved by the faith, not by of works - Eph. 2:8-9.

    Dispensationalism saying, Christ already set of his covenant with the Church, that He married to the Church, shall never, never separate from them forever and ever, that is called, 'security salvation'. Church remains always be Christ's wife forever and ever, no matter what kinds of the conditionals, they face, they remain always saved forever and ever.


    I believe the marriage of the Lamb is not yet occur. The marriage of the Lamb will be occur at the end of the tribulation period.

    Christ is not finish built the Church - Matt. 16:18. He is still continue built the Church right now. Even, during great tribulation period, Christ will continue built the Church. Why?

    Because, the purpose of built the Church, to make them to become perfection and completion, even to become pure too.

    Christ is not finish built the Church till at the end of the tribulation period, because many saints will be present on earth during the reign of Antichrist - Rev. 13:7,10, Rev. 14:12.

    Pretribulationism saying, Church raptured in the heaven in Revelation chapter 4, because the word, 'church' is not appear anywhere from Revelation chapter 4 to 19, prove it is pretrib.

    But, the word, 'church' is not appear anywhere from Revelation chapter 6 to 19, saying that the 'church' appears IN the heaven either.

    I have no problem with Isaiah 50:1. It tells us, God put Israel away as 'divorce', why? Because of their iniquities.

    Dispensationalism teaches, during Old Testament period, saints could lose their salvation, if they disobey the laws, and sinning against God. But, dispensationalism teaches, during New Testament period, we are saved by faith through the grace - Eph. 2:8-9. We are no longer under the laws. Christ never separate us again, as Chruch remains always be Christ's Bride forever and ever.

    I believe Christ is NOT yet marry to the Church. Christ WILL marry Church when Christ comes again to gathering us together at the end of the tribulation period.

    Rev. 19:7 - "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is COME. and his wife hath made herself READY.

    The marriage of the Lamb is not yet occur now. It will come when Christ comes again. Christ's wife is not yet ready now, that means, Church is not yet marry to Christ. Christ is still built the Church today and will continue through great tribulation period - Matt 16:18.

    Baptists use Eph. 1:13 and 4:30 prove us, that we are SEALED by the Holy Spirit all the way till the day of redemption, that no person shall lose salvation. The Holy Spirit shall never leave us no matter how often we sinned daily, He still stay in us as we are 'sealed'.

    I have no problem with Eph. 1:13 and 4:30. Eph. 1:13 tells us, when we heard the gospel, we trusted and believed it, the Holy Spirit seals in us. They saying, 'sealed' shows prove that it already locked, no one can pluck it out(John 10:28-29), we are remain saved all the way till rapture comes.

    First, I want to tell you something about sealed. Yes, God have power to secure us of salvation, no one can pluck us out of his hands, UNLESS if we FOLLOW Christ - John 10:27. But, God have power to loose us out of his hand, if we stopped follow Christ.

    Eph. 4:30 tells us, we do NOT grieve the Holy Spirit, why? We are sealed UNTILLLLLLLLL the day of redemption.

    At the first place, when we hear the gospel, believed in Christ, Holy Spirit sealed in us, we must abide in Christ - John 15:6, or if we do not abide in Christ, we might be removed - John 15:6.

    My understanding of Eph. 4:30, that we are "engaged" with the Holy Spirit in our present living. We are not offically married to Christ, and he is not my husband yet.

    Often, when we hear people saying, "I'm engaged!" Does not mean that person is already married. Engaged is the picture of the relationship between two persons are working in the procressing toward wedding day. Many cases, they end up broke up, and not plan to marriage, does not mean that they are wrong. They have good reason to broke up as engaged, being broke up as engaged is far safer than being to be sorry divorced after marriage.

    Being divorced is a sin.

    Holy Spirit in us is the picture of 'being engaged' in the process in our living till our death or Christ comes.

    'Day of redemption' speaks of our hope and salvation, that our body and soul shall be finally redeemed by rapture - Luke 21:28; and Romans 8:19-23; Eph. 1:13,14; and Eph. 4:30.

    We do not being finally saved and security during our life, we are in process of sanctification throughout our life till our death.

    Matt 10:22; 24:13 tell us, that we must endure through our life till the end at our death or Lord comes then we shall be saved.

    God have his power to loose us out of his hand, IF we stopped follow Christ - John 10:27-29. In other word, God have his POWER to hold us in his hand, IF we FOLLOW Christ.

    Old Testament proves us, that the saints can lose their salvation. Exodus 32:33 - "And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I BLOT OUT OF MY BOOK'." Lord told Moses, if anyone sinned against Him, He shall blot person's name from the book of life.

    Dispensationalism saying that God have different programs for Israel and Church, and different plans of salvation. Dispensationalism teaches, the saints were saved by their works and follow the laws during O.T. time. Now, we are in the N.T. time, we are saved by the faith, not by works. God shall never removed our names from the Book of Life. Because Christ already washed our sins away through his blood.

    Later, I will open topics discuss on salvation issues.

    God's plan of salvation NEVER change since creation to now, and remain always same till the end of the world. God is unchangeable -Heb. 13:8.

    Sorry, I am off the track. I am trying to discuss focus on Christ's Bride.

    Rev. 21:9 - the angel shows John, New Jerusalem, the Christ's Bride. Everyone shall spend eternality with God in New Jerusalem, their names written in "the Lamb's book of life" are the part of the "the bride, the Lamb's wife" - Rev. 21:9-27.

    Christ's wife does not limited to the N.T. saints only, also, whole ages of all saints both Old Testament and New Testament periods, whosever follow Christ, their names are written in the Book of Life, shall dwell in New Jerusalem with Christ forever and ever.

    Old Testament proves us, that the saints are Christ's Bride. In Isa. 61:10 "I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath hath covered me with the robe of RIGHTEOUSNESS, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornments, and as a BRIDE adorneth herself with her jewels."

    It proves us, that Isaiah, the prophet is the part of Christ's Bride, NOT 'guest'!

    Isa. 62:5 - "For as ayoung man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over THEE."

    It tells us, bridegroom rejoice over the bride, same as Christ is rejoice over us!

    Do you know where refer verse of Isa. 61:10? It refers in Rev. 19:7-8 "let us be glad and rejoice(same as Isa. 61:10), and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine LINEN is the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the saints(same as Isa. 61:10)."

    Obivously, Bible teaches us, that all saints of both Old Testament and New Testament are Christ's Bride. Their names are written in the book of life, because they follow Christ.

    Or, their names could be removed from the book of life, if they sinned against God - Exodus 32:33.

    Exodus 32:33 for the O.T. saints only?

    Look to Rev. 3:5 "He that OVERCOMETH, the same shall be clothed in white raiment, and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

    Calvinists and baptists' intepreting of Rev. 3:5 telling us, that we ALREADY have victory in Jesus Christ at our salvation, that our names shall never removed from the book of Life.

    Is that what Christ actually saying it?

    Look at word, 'overcome' mean to conquer, to victory, that means, we must fight with our faith all the way to death.

    Rev. 2:10 tells us, we must be endure till our death, then have eternal life.

    Matt. 10:22; and Matt. 24:13 tell us, that we must endure through our life till death, then we shall be saved.

    Rev. 2:5 warns, "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and REPENT, and do the first works; OR..... else I will come unto thee quickly, and will REMOVE thy candlestick OUT OF HIS PLACE, except thou REPENT."

    Christ warns us, if we do not repent our sins, He shall removed us out of his place, same as He could removed our names out of the book of life.

    If we do not endure and fail to overcome them, our names could be removed from the book of life - Rev. 3:5

    Bible teaches us very clear, there are many verses talk about conditional salvation.

    Conclusion:

    Bible teaches us, all Old Testmant and New Testament saints are Christ's Bride. Both Jews and Gentiles are unity together into ONE BODY of Christ by Calvary - Eph. 2:12-16. God only have ONE wife, if suppose, dispensationalism doctrine is true, then that means God does commit adultery to have two or three wives, HUH???!

    In another word, do we have two fathers in heaven? NO! We only have ONE savior in heaven, so, therefore, we are all children of God by faith through Jesus Christ - Gal. 3:26.

    Very simple, no complex.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     
  7. freeatlast

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    Dispensationalism is a good topic to discuss, but in all fairness you are highjacking this thread. You really need to start another topic for that. Also may I suggest that you not ask so many questions at once. Ask one and then talk about it and you will get a better discussion. Then ask another if you get that one worked out.
     
  8. Frogman

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    You're a Baptist Brider? </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah.

    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]
     
  9. DeafPosttrib

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    freeatlast,

    Dispensationalism believes God have two wives, two marriages. Bible never saying it.

    No, I am not threatening this topic. I am discuss focus on that topic about God's wife. Sticky with that topic.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     
  10. freeatlast

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    If you would read your own post you would see that you were off topic. This is not about dispensationalism. Start a topic on that issue if you want to deal with it. I will be gald to join in.
     
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    freeatlast,

    Well, you are wrong. I read at

    http://www.ifca.org/voice/7 Jan-Feb/lamb.htm

    It does discuss about the matter of God's different programs for Israel and the Church.

    It says:

    It is very obivous sound like dispensationalism teaching.

    That why I am sticky discuss focus on Christ's bride, because of dispensationalism issue.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     

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