I was speaking to my father who says the rosary occassionally. We got into a big argument about it. And as usually happens he tells me how messed up protestants are and I tell him that he needs to get saved. However, he was espousing this Hail Holy Queen prayer. Now the rosary is broken down into several parts. the first part has a crucifix then five beads each representing a set of prayers you pray then you have what is known as five decades. Or section of 10 beads seperated by a bead between each decade. The mechanics are you start by reciting the Signum Crucis (sign of the cross) then Symbolum Apostolorum (the Apostles' creed) then the Pater Noster also known as the Oratio Dominicae (the Our Father) all on the first bead then 3 Ave Maria or Salutatio Angelica (Hail Mary's) on the next 3 beads then the Gloria Patri or Doxologia Minor (Glory be) and Oratio Fatima or the Fatima prayer both on that bead. Then you pray a Pater Noster and 10 Ave Marias with the Gloria Patri and Oratio Fatima in succession five times ending this long list of prayer with Hail Holy Queen and while in community the Angelus. Sounds like a lot of babaling. Anyway, Today each of the five set of decades the Catholics focus on the "Glorious Mysteries". 1) the resurrection 2) the assention of Jesus 3) and the decent of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost 4) the Assumption of Mary and 5) the coronation of Mary in heaven. First of all that's a lot of repetition and if you are focusing on something else why mumbling words to prayers I'm sure Marcia would say that is a form of eastern meditation. The spoken words act like a Mandala which is a visual relaxation technique where by you look at very semetrical pictures and can consentrate on meanings of things. the only difference I see is on is of verbal design and the other visual. Next I bring into question an aspect of tradition with regard to the "glorious mysteries". If the Catholics are right about their tradition being Apostolic in origin then I have a serious question. Every important aspect of faith they thought was significant and basic to the believer they pretty much wrote it down. The Catholic can argue John 6 with regard to the Eucharist. Ok fine. Yet don't you think that if veneration (as it is practiced today) of Mary was key to spiritual promises as the Catholic church claims then wouldn't this even be aluded to in scripture? If such an important event like Mary was crowned in heaven to be its queen second only to God himself then wouldn't you think that scripture would allude to this? Yet the apostles vigorous in giving the promise of every spiritual gift and promise of God failed to mention this No in fact they don't. Then the Catholic argument is that the rosary was given to St. Dominic in the 12th century. Ah but how is this tradition apostolic? How then is the veneration of Mary apostolic? If Mary was so important to the early community of believers then why is their no consensus on what happened to her? She went to live with John. And as far as scriptures that is it. According to Orthodox she died in southern Turkey and recieved an early resurrection which they call the Dormition. The Catholics don't have any idea where she was Assumed at but are certain she did and that she was crowned queen of heaven. This also by logic and reason cannot be apostolic because John ended up on Patmos and wrote a few letters and never said anything about it. And As I read the Patritic writings I find that the Gospel message is pretty much the same as the scritpures they quote. Their is not much diviation or apealing to "Apostolic Tradition" outside of what is already mentioned in scripture.