Mary's blood ransomed the world!?

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  1. Rakka Rage

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    Legio Mariae (Legion of Mary):

    “It was first from HER VEINS THAT THE BLOOD WAS DRAWN WHICH NOW LIES SCATTERED CHEAPLY ABOUT, BUT WHICH HAS RANSOMED THE WORLD….That Precious Blood will henceforth flow through the Mystical Body, forcing life, so to speak, into every crevice of it...In that moment, those Sacred Hearts [Jesus and Mary] entered into a union so close as to approach IDENTITY. Henceforth, they will beat together in and for the Mystical Body. Thereby Mary has become the Mediatrix of all graces, the Spiritual Vessel which receives and gives Our Lord’s Most Precious Blood.” (164-165)
     
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    I found a complete online copy of this. Can you please give me the chapter? It doesn't have page numbers on the online version. Thanks,

    God bless,

    Grant
     
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    sorry i do not know. if you search the online copy for "SCATTERED CHEAPLY" you might find it?
     
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    I like this version better- Romans 3:
    21. But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
    22. even the righteousness of God which is through faith in Jesus Christ to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
    23. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
    24. being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
    25. whom God set forth to be a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
    26. to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

    And this version: I Timothy 2:5. "For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus...."

    God Bless
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    sorry i do not know. if you search the online copy for "SCATTERED CHEAPLY" you might find it? </font>[/QUOTE]Look at the quote you posted. Page 164. The online version is split up in every which way according to chapters, so I'd have to search each page individually, which would take forever.

    I'm not going to attempt to address anything until I have that oh-so-important context. And considering that you pulled this off of a website that did not provide the context, I'm going to assume that there is more that I need to know to properly understand all that the author intended.

    God bless,

    Grant
     
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    I will say this quickly, though. Your thread title, "Mary's blood ransomed the world?!?" is a complete misreading of the opening line. In fact, I'm sure the capitalizing is yours, and you started the caps one word too late.

    "?It was first from HER VEINS THAT THE BLOOD WAS DRAWN WHICH NOW LIES SCATTERED CHEAPLY ABOUT, BUT WHICH HAS RANSOMED THE WORLD"

    It was not "her veins" but "from her veins." Mary gave Jesus His humanity, and consequently, His blood. It was "from her veins" and her body and that Jesus sprang forth. It is Jesus blood which now lies scattered about and has ransomed the world. Not Mary's, and the quote never says that. But if you do deny the first line, you seem to be denying the Incarnation, that Mary provided Jesus' humanity.

    God bless,

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    do you have a link to the online version your "found"?
     
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    how sure are you that the capitalization is mine? are you assuming? you cannot be assuming because you say you are sure!? strange, that you are sure and wrong at the same time...

    http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/rc142.htm

    Jesus provided Mary with her humanity and her blood... not the other way around.
     
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    do you have a link to the online version your "found"? </font>[/QUOTE]http://www.legion-of-mary.ie/handbook/
     
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    I apologize for saying you did this. However, I know that the orginal text was not capitalized like this, because it's obvious that the highlighting is for the purpose of this discussion, which you are bringing from a third party website. Further, you did not provide this link until now, which you should have, instead of having me search it out by myself. It's just courtesy to provide your sources.

    Yes, Jesus, who is God, is responsible for all creation. And yet, this same God, chose to be born of a woman. He didn't have to be. He could have just appeared. But, instead, He chose to be BORN of a woman, so that He would be fully human in a manner that we can understand. His genetic code came from Mary.

    Now, we can play circles with this, or you can simply admit to the fundamental Christian Truth that Christ was born of a virgin and from her he received His humanity. His makeup is from her makeup.

    Further, there is no need for the hostility in your posts. I'm very much trying to keep a cool despite how much I disagree with the way you are proceeding here. Let's all be nice to each other; I promise we'll get more accomplished that way.

    God bless,

    Grant
     
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    Will no one address this most interesting quotation?

     
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    </font>[/QUOTE]That depends. Are you satisfied with the explanation for the first part? I'm not going to try to tackle everything at once.

    God bless,

    Grant
     
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    If Catholics call Mary "The Mother of God" , why should a statement like being "ransomed by her blood" be so shocking? Get ready for the two-sided double talking "Vatican shuffle" on this one.

    If you really want to know how Catholics really feel about Mary dont ask an American Catholic, go to Ireland, Spain, Italy South America or Mexico.
     
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    Does your screen name have anything to do with this:

    Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


    4469 rhaka {rhak-ah'}
    of Aramaic origin cf 07386; TDNT - 6:973,983; n
    AV - Raca 1; 1
    1) empty, i.e. a senseless, empty headed man 2) a term of reproach used among the Jews in the time of Christ

    Just curious
     
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    Psalm, have you actually read the posts to this thread?

    "ransomed by her blood" is a lie.

    It is a deliberate distortion of the source.

    Do anti-Catholics think that bearing false witness in this way is not a sin?

    Why do anti-Catholics expect a defense of slanderous lies?

    I know that this is not politically correct, but I think that people who trade in deliberate distortion of the beliefs of others are in some way seriously deficient, either spiritually or mentally, if not both.
     
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    Where in that quote was "ransomed by her blood" stated? Oh, it wasn't. That was thrown in there by Rakka Rage, and you endorse it as truth.

    Good for you.

    Grant
     
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    Trying,
    I do not know if the phrase "ransomed by her blood" is foung in the RC ecclesiastical writings or not. All I said is that any one who would refer to Mary as the "Mother of God" could logically consider themselves saved by her blood since she gave birth to the savior.
    But I am sure that you are familiar with the book "The Glories of Mary" by Alphonse de Liguori. Do you or other Catholics think that he takes Mariology to an extreme?
     
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    Sure.

    It means there is NO limit to Mariolotry published by our bretheren in the Catholic Church.

    CoRedemptrix -

    "With equal truth may it be also affirmed that, by the will of God, Mary is the intermediary through whom is distributed unto us this immense treasure of mercies gathered by God, for mercy and truth were created by Jesus Christ, thus as no man goeth to the Father but by the Son, so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother....How grateful and magnificent a spectacle to see in the cities, and towns, and villages, on land and sea—wherever the Catholic
    faith has penetrated—many hundreds of thousands of pious people uniting their praises and prayers with one voice and heart at every moment of the day, saluting Mary, invoking Mary, hoping everything through Mary." - Pope Leo XIII, Octobri Mense

    "O Virgin most holy, none abounds in the knowledge of God except through thee; none, O Mother of God, obtains salvation except through thee, none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee." - Pope Leo XIII, Adiutricem Populi

    "Mary suffered and, as it were, nearly died with her suffering Son; for the salvation of mankind she renounced her mother's rights and, as far as it depended on her, offered her Son to placate divine justice; so we may well say that she with Christ redeemed mankind." - Pope Benedict XV, Inter Sodalicia

    "Mary's suffering [at Calvary], beside the suffering of Jesus, reached an intensity which can hardly be imagined from a human point of view but which was mysteriously and supernaturally fruitful for the Redemption of the world." - Pope John Paul II, Salvifici Doloris, no. 25

    "Enraptured by the splendor of your heavenly beauty and impelled by the anxieties of the world, we cast ourselves into your arms, Oh Immaculate Mother of Jesus and our Mother....we adore and praise the peerless richness of the sublime gifts with which God has filled you above every other mere creature, from the moment of conception until the day on which after your assumption into heaven. He crowned you Queen of the Universe. Oh crystal fountain of
    faith,
    bathe our hearts with your heavenly perfume. Oh Conqueress of evil and death, inspire in us a deep horror of sin which makes the soul detestable to God and the slave of hell. Oh well-beloved of God, hear the ardent cries which rise up from every heart in this year dedicated to you. Then tenderly, Oh Mary, cover our aching wound; convert the wicked, dry the tears of the afflicted and the oppressed. Comfort the poor and humble. Quench hatred,
    sweeten harshness, safeguard the flower of purity and protect the Holy Church. In your name resounding harmoniously in heaven, may they recognize that all are brothers...Receive, Oh sweet Mother our humble supplications and above all, obtain for us that on that day, happy with you, we may repeat before your throne that hymn which is sung today around your altars. You are beautiful Oh Mary. You are Glory Oh Mary. You are the joy, you are the Honor of
    our people." - Pope Pius XII, celebration of the Marian Year in Rome, 1950

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    In a 1985 address at the Marian shrine in Guayaquil, Ecuador, Pope John Paul II said:

    "Mary goes before us and accompanies us. The silent journey that begins with her Immaculate Conception and passes through the ‘yes’ of Nazareth, which makes her the Mother of God, finds on Calvary a particularly important moment. There also, accepting and assisting at the sacrifice of her son, Mary is the dawn of Redemption....Crucified spiritually with her crucified son




    (cf. Gal. 2:20), she contemplated with heroic love the death of her God, she ‘lovingly consented to the immolation of this Victim which she herself had brought forth’ (Lumen Gentium, 58)....In fact, at Calvary she united herself with the sacrifice of her Son that led to the foundation of the Church; her maternal heart shared to the very depths the will of Christ ‘to gather into one all the dispersed children of God’ (Jn. 11:52). Having suffered for the Church, Mary deserved to become the Mother of all the disciples of her Son, the Mother of their unity....In fact, Mary's role as Coredemptrix did not cease with the glorification of her Son" (Inseg VIII/1 (1985) 318-319 [ORE 876:7]).


    All Powerful Mary -

    "Mary is all powerful with her divine Son who grants all graces to mankind through her" - Pope Benedict XV, Fausto Appetente Die

    "All power is given to Thee [Mary] in heaven and on earth that at the command of Mary all obey, even God." - Alphonsus de Liguori, Roman Catholic Cardinal and "saint", from his book The Glories of Mary

    Since the Mother, then, should have the same power as the Son, rightly has Jesus, who is omnipotent, made Mary also omnipotent; The Glories of Mary. (pp 180-181)

    "She is omnipotent, because by her prayers she obtains whatever SHE wills. (The Glories of Mary pp 182)

    "With a still more ardent zeal for piety, religion and love, let them continue to [bvenerate, invoke and pray to the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God
    , conceived without original sin. Let them fly with utter confidence to this most sweet Mother of mercy and grace in all dangers, difficulties, needs, doubts and fears. Under her guidance, under her patronage, under her kindness and protection, nothing is to be feared; nothing is hopeless. Because,
    while bearing toward us a truly motherly affection and having in her care the work of our salvation, she is solicitous about the whole human race." - Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    What I can't wait for.. is our final, definitive entrance into heavenly glory (which we do participate in right now in the here and present) and we see Mary for who she is in all the splendour our Lord has clothed her in, that splendour with which she is described in the Song of Solomon (I speak of the part addressed to the Queen Mother, which serves partly as the background to Luke 2 and Rev 12), with which she is endowed in the Apocalypsis. Then, we all will be humbled, if we have not humbled ourselves in this life.

    I have to continue to ask why it is so difficult for Christians to embrace Christ's exclamative imperative: "Ecce mater tua!"

    Brothers and sisters, Mary's ecclesial maternity isn't a theory or an option. It's the profound reality resulting from the Word of God Almighty as our Lord prepared in advance for this most sublime of his creation - the immaculate ark of the New Covenant - in Eve, Sarah, Hannah, and all of the Davidic Queen Mothers.

    The Annual Apparition of Our Lady to Mirjana Soldo of Medjugorje, Bosnia-Herzegovina
    March 18, 2002 - The visionary Mirjana Dragicevic-Soldo had daily apparitions from June 24th 1981 to December 25th 1982. During the last daily apparition, Our Lady gave her the 10th secret, and told her that she would appear to her once a year, on the 18th of March. It has been this way through the years.

    This year several thousand pilgrims gathered to pray the Rosary, which began at 8:45 a.m. at the Cenacolo Community in Medjugorje. The apparition lasted from 9:27 a.m. to 9:34 a.m. and Our Lady gave the following message.

    "Dear Children! As a mother I implore you, open your heart and offer it to me, and fear nothing. I will be with you and will teach you how to put Jesus in the first place. I will teach you to love Him and to belong to Him completely. Comprehend, dear children, that without my Son there is no salvation. You should become aware that He is your beginning and your end. Only with this awareness can you be happy and merit eternal life. As your mother I desire this for you. Thank you for having responded to my call."

    John 2:5, "His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever he tells you.'"

    O Marie concue sans peche, priez pour nous qui avons recours a Vous!

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    Yes, every knee will bow and every tounge will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father! (Phil. 2:10-11) :D

    Neal
     

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