Marys Command

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  1. Lawson-

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    This is for the romanists on the board. I have been going back and forth with them on another board and thought I just as well post it here as well.

    John Chapter 2
    3KJV: And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

    4KJV: Jesus saith unto her, "Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. "

    5KJV: His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

    6KJV: And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.

    7KJV: Jesus saith unto them, "Fill the waterpots with water." And they filled them up to the brim.

    8KJV: And he saith unto them, "Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast." And they bare it.

    9KJV: When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,


    Here Mary emphasizes the importance of Jesus, and the words that He speaks. Notice this is the only time in the NT that Mary gives a command, she says "Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it." Since Mary commanded it all romanists should listen to those words "Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it." Mary didnt say do what the pope says or do what the catachism says, she says do what Jesus says, Jesus never once mentioned worshiping dead bodies and body parts, nor did he mention praying to Mary. He also never said that priests can't marry or that we are to hold other man made writings in as high regard as the word or God. If we listen to Marys command and do what Jesus tells us then we would know that He is the only one that can be your savior -

    John Chapter 14
    6KJV: Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. "

    He did NOT say to trust in saints, the pope, or even His mother, Mary to save you.

    Acts Chapter 4
    12KJV: Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    Jesus says faith in HIM, is the only kind that can save you -

    John Chapter 3
    36KJV: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    He did NOT say special sacrifices or good works were needed to help save you --

    Romans Chapter 4
    5KJV: But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    Jesus says EVERLASTING life is the only kind He gives -

    John Chapter 5
    24KJV: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

    He did NOT say it was probationary life which depended on our keeping it or we'd lose it. -

    John Chapter 10
    28KJV: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. "

    Jesus says GOD'S words are the only authority to follow -

    John Chapter 12
    48KJV: "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. "

    He did NOT say traditions or the commandments of men were HIS words -

    Mark Chapter 7
    7KJV: "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. "

    13KJV: "Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

    If you want to know that you have eternal life and want to quit relying on yourself, church sacraments, or anything else to help save you then trust on what Jesus said and be at peace.

    1 John Chapter 5
    13KJV: These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

    Ephesians Chapter 2
    8KJV: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
     
  2. tamborine lady

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    Excellent post Lawson! I agree with all your scripture, but I can tell you that you have stirred up a hornets nest(for some people)!

    Get ready for the onslaught.

    Peace,

    Tam :D
     
  3. Turpius

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    Let the mayhem begin!
     
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    Its very simple. Because for a Roman Catholic, the final authority is the Magesterium of the Church and not Scripture. If somewhere along the line the "church" decides that Mary is a mediator between man and Jesus (because after all who wouldnt listen to their mother) then that is the way they must believe.
    Most honest Roman Catholic Church historians will admit that there is very litle teachings in the early church on Mary and the papacy.

    Enter Bishop Newman with his theory of development which was embraced by the Roman Catholic Church. (They will be quick to tell you BTW that John Henry Newman was a Protestant who converted to Catholicism.)Rome has moved beyond this theory of development and has eliminated any need for historical validation.
    Now The Roman catholic Church claims that it is not nnecessary for a doctrine to have been taught explicitly by the early church in order to be accepted.
    If Rome now teaches a certain doctrine, such as the assumption of the BVM, Catholics are told that the early church actually believed and taught it implicitly and only later, after many centuries, did it become explicit.

    Here is a quote from a well known apologist from the RC Church named Karl Keating on the Assumption:

    "Still, fundamentalists ask, where is the proof from scripture? Strictly, there is none. It was the Catholic Church that was commisioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallably. The mere fact that the Church teaches the doctrine of the Assumption as definintly true is a guarantee that it is true."

    Much time is wasted arguing Scripture with Roman catholics when the real issue is the question of the Infallibliltiy of the Church.
     
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    Mary, by RCC teaching, interceeds for us, with Christ. That a "chain of command" approach will more richly bless them. It really boggles the mind to even consider it.

    Mary lost Jesus when he was a boy. For 3 days she had no idea where he was. I don't want to be praying to someone so fallible.
     
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    Hey, that's a thread in it'self. Is forgittin' yer 12 year old kid at a huge bash & going home a sin ?
     
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    As I read over & over the 2nd chapter of Luke, I'm kinda getting the feeling that Mary still wasn't sure he was the Christ...

    "And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child. And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds."

    "And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them."
     
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    Im right behind you boys, its becomeing to twisted the way mary is somtimes put higher than jesus.
     
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    Have you seen that you never here about Sisiter Mary after ACTS 2.
     
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    "And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."

    Luke 11:27 & 28

    In order to venerate Mary, you have to ignore scripture.
     
  11. Amity

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    AMEN BROTHER LAWSON, GREAT POST, AS ALWAYS FROM YOU.

    love in Christ.
     
  12. just-want-peace

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    The plain simple scripture is aweful hard to ignore, so I guess that's why so many times it's "spiritualized", or "allegorized", or "de-literalized". This way, you can make it say what you want it to, rather than what it simply says!!
     
  13. Lawson-

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    You just summed up the whole roman church right there.
     

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