Max Lucado.

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  1. Steven m.

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    MAX LUCADO'S ECUMENICAL CONFUSION


    Max Lucado is one of the prominent and influential evangelical leaders on
    the scene today. His positive-oriented books and tapes are sold in most
    Christian bookstores; and he is a popular speaker at a wide range of
    conferences, including Promise Keepers, National Religious Broadcasters,
    National Association of Evangelicals, Moody Bible Institute, and Jerry
    Falwell's 1992 National Youth Workers Convention.

    Lucado is pastor of the Oak Hills Church of Christ in San Antonio, Texas.
    In June 1997 I talked with Lucado on the phone as well as with Elder Doyle
    Jennings of the Oak Hills Church. Both stated that they believe that
    baptism is necessary for salvation, but they do not believe in "baptismal
    regeneration." Thus we see that they have added baptism to the grace of
    Christ for salvation. This is standard Church of Christ error, and it is a
    very serious matter for it constitutes a false gospel. That Max Lucado is
    committed to Church of Christ doctrine is evident by his close relationship
    with Pepperdine University and Abeline Christian University, both staunch
    Church of Christ institutions. A Pepperdine spokesman told Dennis Costella,
    editor of Foundation magazine, that Lucado has been featured seven times at
    Pepperdine lectureships (Foundation, March-April 2000). Costella is in a
    unique position to judge these things because he grew up in the Church of
    Christ and graduated from Pepperdine.

    Elder Jennings said he does not accept the doctrine of eternal security,
    while Lucado said this doctrine is not an issue in the church and elders
    and people are free to accept it or reject it. This is very telling since a
    proper understanding of salvation leads to eternal security for the
    believer. Those who believe a born again child of God can lose his
    salvation simply do not understand the gospel.

    In my phone conversation with Max Lucado and with Elder Jennings, I got the
    distinct impression that doctrine was not very important to them. After I
    hung up the phone from talking with Lucado I wrote the following summary of
    my observations:

    "Lucado said he represents a 'movement of grace' in the Churches of Christ,
    'a move away from legalism.' I sense that we are seeing a movement away
    from the older rigid doctrinal positions of the various denominations by
    the younger men who have taken charge. I saw another example of this in a
    recent article in Charisma magazine about the United Pentecostal Church. It
    said some of the younger men are not satisfied with the past legalism and
    are willing to modify some of the finer points of their doctrinal position
    for the sake of ecumenism. Even the cults are joining in this movement,
    represented by the Worldwide Church of God. These new leaders are
    ecumenical and make no issue of doctrine. Finer points of doctrine are
    absolutely meaningless. That is why something as important as eternal
    security is a non-issue with them. It is becoming increasingly more
    difficult to pinpoint the heresy of heretical churches. The easy-going,
    doctrinally-generic church is becoming the norm" (Dave Cloud, June 9, 1997).

    Lucado holds an unscriptural view of Christian unity which is helping to
    break down the walls of separation between truth and error and which is
    preparing the way for the building of a one-world apostate "church." Lucado
    helped organize an ecumenical alliance of pastors in his home town, which
    has grown to more than 100. The pastors are learning to "put away
    differences" in order to deepen personal relationships. It includes women
    pastors, Charismatics, and others. Cindy Daniel, for example, is co-pastor
    with her husband of Expect a Miracle Church. Newman Dollar, pastor of City
    View Christian Fellowship, who, with Lucado, was one of the founders of
    this ecumenical fellowship, told the San Antonio Express-News (Feb. 19,
    2000) that he wants to see more pastors from Catholic churches participating.

    Lucado was a signer of the deceptive "The Gift of Salvation" declaration
    between evangelicals and Catholics in November 1997. This declaration was
    also known as "Evangelicals and Catholics Together II." We exposed the
    danger and error of this statement in the article "Evangelicals and
    Catholics Confusing the Gift of Salvation," which was published December 7,
    1997. We noted that "The Gift of Salvation" is a bland and, in the
    ecumenical context, insufficient affirmation of the doctrine of biblical
    justification. In typical New Evangelical fashion, the evangelical authors
    and signers omitted many things that are necessary to properly delineate
    the true Bible Gospel from the false Roman Catholic one. For the most part,
    what they stated about justification is not inherently unscriptural; THE
    MOST SERIOUS PROBLEM LIES IN WHAT THEY FAILED TO STATE. This, of course, is
    the root error of New Evangelicalism.

    Lucado's unscriptural view of unity was also evident when he spoke at the
    1996 Promise Keepers Clergy Conference for Men in Atlanta, Georgia.
    According to Promise Keeper leader Dale Schlafer, priests, bishops and
    pastors were present from every denomination in America.

    Lucado's message at the Clergy Conference dealt with "Denominational
    Harmony: From Bondage to Freedom." Lucado said, "I submit myself to the
    Word and there are core beliefs. However, for too long we have allowed our
    differences to divide us instead of our agreements to unite us." He urged
    the men to subscribe to the premise, "In essentials unity--in
    non-essentials charity."

    We wonder if Lucado considers the gospel itself "essential"? If so, how can
    he yoke together with Roman Catholics who add sacraments to Christ's
    salvation? The phrase "in essentials unity--in non-essentials charity" is a
    smokescreen for disobedience to biblical separation. While not every
    teaching of scripture is of equal importance, the Bible does not divide
    doctrine into essential and non-essential. Timothy's job in Ephesus was to
    make certain that NO OTHER DOCTRINE be allowed (1 Timothy 1:3). There is no
    hint here that some portions of apostolic truth are "non-essential." Paul
    labored to preach THE WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD (Acts 20:27). The man who
    strives to be faithful to every detail of New Testament truth will find it
    impossible to be comfortable in an ecumenical Promise Keepers-type
    environment. As one wise man observed, "You will have a limited fellowship,
    or you will have a limited message."

    Lucado then had the 40,000 men shout the names of their denominations all
    at once. The result was confusion, of course. Lucado then asked the crowd
    to state who was the Messiah. The ensuing response, "Jesus," was heard
    plainly. The evident goal of this clever little exercise was to demonstrate
    the beauty and simplicity of ecumenical unity.

    In Atlanta, Lucado even claimed that "the sin of disunity causes people to
    go to Hell!"

    He then stated: "The step to unity is acceptance and no longer to speak
    evil of one another. WOULD IT NOT BE WONDERFUL NOT TO BE KNOWN AS EITHER
    PROTESTANT OR CATHOLIC? This is a God-sized dream and no one in our
    generation has ever seen the Church united."

    This is not a God-sized dream; it is the vision of the Harlot that John
    recorded in Revelation 17. Promise Keepers is confused about the church. It
    certainly is not all the alleged Christian denominations. The focus on the
    New Testament Scriptures is upon the church as a local body of baptized
    believers organized according to the apostolic pattern for the fulfillment
    of the Great Commission. This is the church which is the pillar and ground
    of the truth (1 Timothy 3). To define the "church" as the denominations and
    to call for this hodgepodge of doctrinal and moral confusion "to stand
    together" is utter confusion. The denominations today are more akin to the
    Harlot of Revelation 17 than to the church of Jesus Christ.

    According to eyewitness reporter Dr. Ralph Colas, "LUCADO THEN PLED THAT
    EVERY CLERGYMAN WHO HAD EVER SPOKEN AGAINST ANOTHER GROUP OR DENOMINATION,
    FIND A MEMBER OF THAT GROUP AND APOLOGIZE. Contemporary Christian singer
    Steve Green then belted out repeatedly 'Let the Walls Come Down.' The
    40,000 ministers shouted, whistled, clapped, and cheered as they worked to
    a higher and higher pitch of emotion" (Colas, An Eyewitness Report on the
    1996 Clergy Conference for Men, Atlanta, Georgia, February 13-15, 1996).

    We are to apologize for warning people of false gospels and false baptisms
    and false spirits and false Christs and false sacraments and false
    mediators and false views of the church and false views of Scripture? We
    are to apologize for warning of sin and worldliness and compromise? I have
    spoken against many Christian groups and denominations, because God
    commands me to preach the truth AND to expose error (2 Timothy 4:1-6). I
    refuse to apologize for striving to obey God. By God's grace I am going to
    keep on exposing error until the Lord takes me to Glory. And by God's grace
    I am going to name names and be specific about the error and the sin.

    May God help us have the courage in these evil hours to honor and obey Him
    rather than man.

    "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common
    salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye
    should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the
    saints" (Jude 3).

    Maranatha.
     
  2. Johnv

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    Having read a few of Max Lucado's books, I have found nothing in his writings where he calls for baptism as a requirement for salvation, only that faith in Christ alone is required for salvation.
     
  3. All about Grace

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    Typical anti-Lucado (or anyone different than me) gibberish that has as much credibility as its original author.

    Lucado is filling a needed role in the broader body. He is writing evangelical material at a layperson's level. Press on Max.
     
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    Sorry you are blinded by the cover of the books of Max Lucado that you read.He does not believe that you can be saved without water baptism.

    Maranatha.
     
  5. Steven m.

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    Max Lucado
    Max Lucado is pulpit minister of Oak Hills Church of Christ in San Antonio, Texas, and the author of 11 books. His popularity as an author is evidenced by the fact that at one time he had three top ten best-sellers simultaneously. In addition, all 11 of his books have simultaneously appeared on the Christian Booksellers Association hardcover, paperback, and children's best-seller lists. Lucado has won six Gold Medallion Awards, and served as general editor of the recently released New Century Version The Inspirational Study Bible, a so-called "everyday language" version.

    Lucado has a touchy-feely writing style that appears to be an attempt to get the reader to identify with the human side of Jesus. The result, however, is heresy at best and blasphemy at worst. In his book, No Wonder They Call Him the Savior, Lucado blasphemes the Lord Jesus Christ with the following statement (pp 131-132):

    "Look closely through the shadowy foliage. See that person? See that solitary figure? What's he doing? Flat on the ground. Face stained with dirt and tears. Fists pounding on the hard earth. Eyes wide with a stupor of fear. Hair matted with salty sweat. Is that blood on his forehead? That's Jesus. Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. ... Does this look like the picture of a saintly Jesus in the palm of God? Hardly. We see an agonizing, straining and struggling Jesus. We see a 'man of sorrows.' We see a man struggling with fear, wrestling with commitments, and yearning for relief." (Emphasis added.)

    What we see is blasphemy (defined as the intentional defamation of the person or nature of God)! It appears that in Lucado's attempt to help us identify with the "human side" of Jesus, he has engaged in gross speculation, in effect rewriting the Bible's account of Jesus time in the Garden, and thereby, he portrays a different Jesus -- a sinful One!

    The Bible tells us not to fear, but to trust God. The Bible tells us that greater is He who is in us than he who is in the world. The Bible tells us that perfect love drives out fear. If Jesus agonized, strained, struggled, wrestled, and yearned as Lucado speculates, particularly if he fell into a stupor of fear as Lucado contends, then Jesus would have sinned and could not possibly have been the God and Savior He claimed to be -- and that's blasphemy!

    Lucado is now working on a novel, based on the fictional account of Jesus life as if He were born in the South in the United States today. Lucado says he's thinking of titling it The Gospel According to Manny (Manny being short for Immanuel). Lucado's only concern for this title is that "Manny doesn't sound like a Southern name" (June/July 1995, Release).

    [Editor's Note: The interviewer of the Release article suggested to Lucado that he might want to change the title of The Gospel According to Manny to The Gospel According to Manny Joe-Bob, in order to better reflect Jesus's fictitious Southern heritage. Lucado said he liked that idea.]





    Maranatha.
     
  6. All about Grace

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    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


    If Max Lucado is on the fundamentalist hit-list, fundamentalism has gone further off the isolationist deep end than I originally imagined.
     
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    Steven m, thanks for the post and warning!! Keep on exposing darkness.

    rufus [​IMG]
     
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    He has some neat stories that he tells in his books,which is his strength....not very bold theologically,nor does he stand firm on many issues....my husband said he was kinda wishy washy(striving not to be too offensive) on Larry King Live...not to our suprise. John Mac was the bold,biblical standing one out of the 4.
     
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    Great Post Steven m.!

    Keep up the good work. Many on this board don't realize that ecumenism is not a good thing.

    I have read a couple of Max Lucado's books and they are mostly fluff. Sound Doctrine is the least of his concerns. Selling books seems to be the order of the day.
     
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    How is this blasphemy?

    Please explain how he has done this.

    Faith in God is not to be without fear or not to agonize over such a gut wrenching decision as Christ faced in the garden.

    Faith in God is to follow God's will in spite of these things.

    If anything, that Jesus was able to say, "Nevertheless, not My will but Thy will be done" and go to the cross in spite of His fear, showed an amazing faith in God the Father.

    An excellent idea, but it's been done to death. I'd be curious to see Lucado's take on it but, since this is eight years old, I doubt we will.
     
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    Thanks Steven M. [​IMG]

    Always good to see someone stand up for the truth, and be willing to expose compromise and doctrinal error. Especially these days.

    Keep contending for the faith!
     
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    The following Lucado quote was said in a previous post to be blasphemous. Please tell me how this quote is blasphemous. It sound pretty accurate to me.
     
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    Don't congratulate him yet, Mom. He still hasn't explained how Lucado's description is blasphemy.
     
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    Sorry Steve M, I feel that you are off base on this one. Max Lucado's books have been a blessing to me and my wife.

    Sure, I don't agree with some of his doctrine, but he has a unique way of stating things that cause me to think about our wonderful Savior and to appreciate the things of God. As one preacher told me, learn to eat the peanuts and to spit out the shells.

    "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice." Phil 1:18 (KJV).
     
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    100% AMEN!
    This Author is one of the clearest dangers to Holy Bible based Christ centered faith. I did not know about the baptismal regeneration, but was very clear on the fact that wafer worship and Jesus only (UPC) was ok for this perverted anti christ author. Any effort to identify core Bible based distintive is put down as 'hateful' and not 'Christ like'. It is a wave of mind killing fuzzyness that comes from the endless supply of perversions of the Holy Bible.

    Ken ><KJV> [​IMG]
     
  16. All about Grace

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    It never ceases to amaze me on the BB how someone can come on here spewing falsities about an evangelical leader who is making a lasting impact and then be congratulated for "standing for the truth."

    We are still waiting for proof that Max Lucado is a heretic (I almost chuckle as I type the words). As far as Lucado's books being shallow, he is writing on a level where the average layperson can understand and appreciate his words. I don't spend my time digesting Lucado's books (except as a resource for good sermon illustrations), but I appreciate his ministry for many of those who prefer that level.

    BTW, criticizing evangelicals & promoting some type of "I am the only one who is right and spiritual" mindset does not equal "contending for the truth."

    I am thankful God does not operate on the same level of preference that most of us choose.
     
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    I consider Max Lucado a "fad theologian" whose fame will shortly wane as did Calvin Miller's.

    Who?
     
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    Fists pounding on the hard earth. Eyes wide with a stupor of fear.

    what's the basis for saying these things?
     
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    Ir is very evident that some here have no idea who the Lord Jesus Christ is.

    The person this Max fella depicts is not the virgin born son of God, God in the flesh, but his idea of what Max would be doing if he were in Jesus place. What Jesus experienced in the garden wasn't fear of the cricifixion, rather it was dread of becoming sin for us.

    Some don't realize what sin is, God hates sin, hates it so much that the only accepted sacrifice is His only begotten son. Realizing this, Jesus, as God (John 1:1 )knew what he was going to experience and this is the dread he felt, the dread of bearing all sin past , present, and future.

    Maybe the Jesus you worship was a cringing coward in the garden, but my Jesus went to the cross willingly knowing what he faced and went with love for those whoes sin he was bearing.

    Keeping with the theme of the thread....this Max character needs to get aquainted with the Christ of the Bible and stop creating his idea of Christ.
     
  20. TheOliveBranch

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    [​IMG] I see people here standing up for Lucado almost as strongly as those standing up for the KJV. Or should I be laughing?
     

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