Maybe I do like Gov Huckabee

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  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Article here

    :thumbsup: Mike

    Interesting video here as well. Comments about the president start at about the 25 minute mark.
     
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    I like Gov. Huckabee. He preached at my church once and I got to shake his hand and introduce myself. Seems like a nice person. With that said, I totally agree with him on this. Many of the attacks on President Obama are shameful. It does work both ways, however. Many left-wings attacks on Bush were over the top too.
     
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    Mike Huckabee has a pretty level head, and what he says makes sense. It is hard to think of one policy I agree with Barack Obama on, but there is an element of the Republican Party that goes too far with it. What is so hypocritical about it is these are the same Republicans with the failed, liberal, inept record of the last eight years, and in essence, enabled Obama's election.

    Republicans complaining about deficit spending is amazing to me. They, right before the election, with George Bush, crammed down an 800 billion stimulus bill down our throats, then a few months later, never stop talking about Obama's spending package. This is not to support Obama, but they did the same thing a few months earler. It shows they do not care about principle but power.

    It is kind of like Republicans talking morality, family values and faith with Vitter, Ensign, Craig, Foley, and Sanford holding up the banner is a parade.

    Republicans have lost any sense of leadership or ideals about the Constitution. They are looking for their next opportunity to take power to continue their own liberal agenda.
     
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    Both sides are left-winger, anti-Constitutionalists.
     
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    So again CK4 where were you when all this was going on with Bush?
     
  6. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Gov Huckabee admits that during the interview. The petty childish attacks are never in order, no matter which side does them.

    I understand it when liberals and non-believers do it, that is how they act. If we on the right are indeed right we should not have to resort to the same tactics.

    There is plenty wrong with the president's policies. In fact I can't think of any policy I agree with, not one. But I won't lower myself to attack him for a Halloween Party or taking his girls to Europe with him.

    The military 'photo-op' thing was absurd. Look at any time any president addresses troops. There are always a number of them behind the president. There is no doubt about the joking nature of President Obama's comment.
     
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    Neither do you appear to be concerned for the excessive and silly attacks on Palin. A very inconsistency position
     
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    Well this is one Republican that was screaming at my TV at Bush last fall!... and plan on being independent by the next election here.... Enough is Enough!... I will vote for the Man that matches my goals, and doesn't violate Biblical principles on the sanctity of life and sanctity of marriage.

    Edited to add.. "I will vote for the Man... (OR WOMAN)... lol

    RIGHT now.. I want Huckabee for the next President...
    My second choice would be Palin.

    But for the life of me, I can't think of one potential presidential hopeful on the democrat side who doesn't support the Democrat platform of Pro murder of the unborn.... But who knows.. if a Democrat comes to the top that happens to be prolife, and anti-gay marriage... I may consider them.

    I wouldn't vote for Bush again if I could....
     
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    As someone who had to put up with Mike Huckabee as governor for a number of years, he is a wonderful politician for those who like Big Government "conservatism". And this colors the way I view him politically.
     
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    Ken, can you explain what you mean by "'big government 'conservatism'"

    Because I am under the impression that Huckabee is for smaller government interference...
    And he is definitely is a conservative...

    Is there inconsistency in him?
     
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    I didn't say I would vote for him :)

    Just that I like the mature way he deals with his opponents
     
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    But not to concerned if they are conservative opponents.
     
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    I appreciate the fact the Gov Huckabee saw this way back in June of '08

    Look here

     
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    Sounds like a one way ticket to me..... Some can get away with it.... others can't.


    Yeah..... what about the democrats booing Bush in Congress? What about the attacks on Palin? And Obama did give a bold face lie to the Congressional address!

    If Huckabee wishes to get pc that's his own business.... but a balanced approach which doesn't feed into endorsement or taking sides, would conclude that all similar behavior is unbecoming and reflective of the manners and breeding of such individuals. But Huskabee's own dialogue give credence to its not Limbauge, etc., its the 'republicans'. If Huckabee is one exception..... doesn't he realize there are likely many others?

    Sorry, but I didn't watch the video... and it might have made the difference..... in which case I partially agree with Huckabee.... but the written report focuses on approval of Obama and rebuking opposition based upon a small sample of evidence.
     
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    Conservative on social issues and socialist on economic issues.

    From National Review Online:

    "However, with the passage of time, Governor Huckabee’s star dimmed considerably with economic conservatives. By the end of his second term he had raised sales taxes 37 percent, fuel taxes 16 percent, and cigarettes taxes 103 percent, leading to a jump in total tax revenues from $3.9 billion to $6.8 billion. The Cato Institute gave him a failing grade of “F” on its fiscal report card for 2006 and an only marginally better but still embarrassing “D” for his entire term. Both as a governor and now as a presidential candidate Huckabee has declined to sign a “no tax” pledge. Recalling that Huckabee has said that he would only raise taxes if his arm were twisted, Grover Norquist of ATR responded: “He has a history of allowing his arm to be twisted and twisting other’s arms.”

    He was not the poster child for smaller government. During his tenure, the number of state government workers in Arkansas increased over 20 percent. Under Governor Huckabee’s watch, state spending increased a whopping 65.3 percent from 1996 to 2004, three times the rate of inflation, and the state’s general obligation debt shot up by almost $1 billion. As Grover Norquist quipped, “We like chubby governors and skinny budgets. Not the other way around.” The massive increase in government spending is due in part to the number of new health programs and expansion of existing ones, including ARKids First, a state program to provide health coverage for 70,000 Arkansas children. Spending on ARKids alone increased 69 percent over a five-year period. Huckabee says it is worth it. He proudly states: “ARKids First is without a doubt, the program I am most proud of. This provides health insurance to tens of thousands of children who didn’t have access to health care before. Instead of a total government approach, this requires deductibles and copays and therefore some personal responsibility. Children can’t learn if they are sitting in class with a toothache, fever, or they can’t see the chalkboard.”

    He has not skimped on health initiatives. His programs have included early intervention for diabetes prevention aimed at reducing the huge impact of diabetes on state Medicaid costs, substitution of exercise breaks in lieu of smoking breaks for state workers, state-funded smoking cessation programs, and most controversially, weighing and issuing health report cards for school children. As to the required weigh-ins, Huckabee explains: “I felt it was vital to pass a law to make it mandatory that every student have their Body Mass Index measured.” He believes that, because of this program, “Arkansas is the only state in the nation which showed a drop in the childhood obesity rate.”

    While legions of health advocates praised these programs, conservatives not surprisingly are skeptical of these measures. Calling these types of programs the worst of the “parodies of liberal nannyism,” Charles Murray bluntly observes: “They are bad in principle, they’re a waste of money, they are of the same muddle-headed mindset as the Compassionate Conservatism of the Bush administration. That a person who advocates them might be taken seriously as a Republican candidate for the presidency just 20 years after Reagan left office is deeply depressing.”

    The Club for Growth has voiced similar skepticism that, looking at his record over ten years, economic conservatives should “wonder if a President Huckabee would espouse the relatively pro-growth policies of Governor Huckabee circa 1997 or the anti-growth policies of Governor Huckabee circa 2004.” Obviously concerned about his standing with economic conservatives, Huckabee shot back at Club for Growth touting his original tax package, claiming to have cut taxes nearly one hundred times, and declaring he was in favor of returning Arkansas’s budget surplus to tax payers. Club for Growth returned fire, quoting the Arkansas Times: “By claiming to have cut taxes 94 times, Huckabee fixed a standard for what is a tax cut: every little exemption, credit, deduction or tax break of any kind. By that standard every governor [over] the past 60 years cut taxes numerous times." Club for Growth also chastised Huckabee for advocating return of the surplus when “he had ample opportunity in the summer of 2006 to do just that as governor and declined to take the necessary steps of calling the Legislature into session.” It would seem conservatives searching for Mr. Right to rebuild the coalition of social and economic conservatives may need to keep looking."

    - http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NmNjMmI1ODhjNGVlZWFmNTlmMGNiZTVjYTg1NTUzMTk=#more
     
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    I've liked Huckabee from the get-go and considered him a great opponent to Obama if he had made it. I think he would have done much better than McCain but I don't think he had the wide base of financial and popular support compared to some of the other Republican candidates. I believe his personality and charisma would been close to Obama's. I don't know if his knowledge of the issues and preparedness would have been able to compete with Obama.

    His "fair tax" policy may have been a little too radical for some and while I like the general concept of "fair tax" as an ideal textbook scenario, I'm not too sure of its application to reality. The sudden move of all income tax into sales tax would have fairly large ramifications for consumer perception of value and would take a bit of tinkering with the percentages to adequately replace the vast revenue stream that income tax currently represents.

    From KenH's post, I like his fiscal approach as well. All of us like small government and less taxes, but government has a responsibility to its people and increases in spending are often necessary. The question is what areas should be increased and what areas should be decreased. I'm biased about this because I'm in the health care field, but I think health spending is definitely an area that needs more spending rather than less. The cost of health care is dramatically increasing no matter where you go, but the ability of the patients who actually need it to pay for it are dramatically decreasing.

    Fiscal conservatives like to talk about the trickle down effect of reducing taxes at the top to help the bottom. I think that health spending is a major trickle up strategy because improving the health of your population increases their productivity and decreases their reliance on social services. So I like that Huckabee's spending has been focused on this trickle up strategy.
     
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    I like Huckabee , as well.

    But he did not govern as a fiscal conservative and I have no reason to believe he is one.
     
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    KenH,

    I've been meaning to ask you. "How's all this Change working out for you?"
     
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    I agree with the Huckabee and the OP. Appropriate criticism is permissible, but petty childish attacks are never in order, regardless of which side does them.
     
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    Sounds like post #6 :)
     

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