MH17: Getting the right answers requires asking the right questions

Discussion in 'News / Current Events' started by asterisktom, Jul 18, 2014.

  1. asterisktom

    asterisktom
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2007
    Messages:
    2,292
    Likes Received:
    21
    I thought this article was worth reading.

    Instead of rushing to a conclusion, careful investigation would be helpful. This site asks 10 questions for the Ukrainian authorities - and for their kneejerk defenders:

    http://rt.com/news/173976-mh17-crash-questions-ukraine/

    Especially interesting is this:
    "2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses Buk missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the self-defense forces don’t have any planes? "
     
    #1 asterisktom, Jul 18, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 18, 2014
  2. Bro. James

    Bro. James
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2004
    Messages:
    2,633
    Likes Received:
    14
    Regardless of who is responsible, will some one please secure the area other than the rebel thugs who are presently controlling the crash site?

    Or shall the bodies be left for the skin worms and vultures?

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

    Bro. James
     
  3. asterisktom

    asterisktom
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2007
    Messages:
    2,292
    Likes Received:
    21
    "Rebel thugs"? That would be the Western funded oligarchs who overthrew a legitimately elected government in Kiev.

    But, along the lines of your question, take a look at this question:

    "9. Why did Ukraine’s Security Service start working with the recordings of communications between Ukrainian air traffic controllers and the Boeing crew and with the data storage systems from Ukrainian radars without waiting for international investigators? "

    Who is truly in charge of this situation? Our perceptions differ.
     
  4. Bro. James

    Bro. James
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2004
    Messages:
    2,633
    Likes Received:
    14
    I see many colors of smoke screen. Regardless of who may or may not be culpable in the tragedy, can the body bag crew get in there and do the right thing? A scapegoat can be offered later. This situation is long past urgent.

    Who knows about the politics of this situation? The Ukraine seems involved in a civil war--which usually means somebody in control is walking on somebody who wants control. This is usually between the haves and the have nots. V. Putin is a not so benevolent dictator stirring the pot. Throw in a little ethnic cleansing and things can get really nasty for many innocent by-standers.

    Blame?? It seems really stupid to make a flight plan which carries 295 people over a war zone--even at 33,000 ft. The Maylasian govt. needs to get out of the flying passengers business.

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus

    Bro. James
     
    #4 Bro. James, Jul 18, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 18, 2014
  5. asterisktom

    asterisktom
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2007
    Messages:
    2,292
    Likes Received:
    21
    Agreed on this.
     
  6. asterisktom

    asterisktom
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2007
    Messages:
    2,292
    Likes Received:
    21
    To further help with some helpful background, we might like at this well researched article:
    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/18/facts-needed-on-malaysian-plane-shoot-down/

    Of course, those who most need to read the above won't even bother. It's too easy just to hold on to the simplistic US vs. Them paradigm.

    To really appreciate the article it helps to have a certain grasp of recent history (well, the 70s and 80s are recent to me!) and a willingness to reevaluate.
     
    #6 asterisktom, Jul 18, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 18, 2014
  7. InTheLight

    InTheLight
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    16,186
    Likes Received:
    611
    It's an article full of assumptions, innuendo and leading questions. It doesn't say anything, just leaves the reader to fill in the blanks based on their biases and prejudices. Straight out of the Rush Limbaugh playbook. Example: "Why is Hillary Clinton refusing to testify before Congress? What does she have to hide?"
     
    #7 InTheLight, Jul 19, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 19, 2014
  8. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    38,287
    Likes Received:
    780
    Legitimate questions to ask.
     
  9. InTheLight

    InTheLight
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    16,186
    Likes Received:
    611
    Well, yeah if you watch Fox News! Whatever answer you form from these leading questions will depend on your built-in bias.

    Examples:

    Answers (if you are a Democrat):
    1. She's not refusing to testify, she hasn't been called to testify.
    2. Nothing.

    Answers (if you are a Republican):
    1. She's afraid she will say something incriminating.
    2. Her complicity in Benghazi
     
    #9 InTheLight, Jul 19, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 19, 2014
  10. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    38,287
    Likes Received:
    780
    ok? :confused:
     
  11. poncho

    poncho
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    Seems to me Americans have been conditioned to think of Russians as subhuman for so long now we're unable to think of them in any other way. Most American's will consider them guilty no matter what.

    That plays right into the western elite's desire for global hegemony and looting Ukraine.
     
  12. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    38,287
    Likes Received:
    780
    Taking cues from the Democrat playbook I see. No one sees Russians has subhuman. What we do see is their leadership has a nefarious agenda.
     
  13. Rolfe

    Rolfe
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2014
    Messages:
    5,291
    Likes Received:
    391
    My impression of the Russian people that I have interacted with, mostly in the course of business, is that they are like anyone else. It is those in power who are the thorn in the U.S.'s side.
     
    #13 Rolfe, Jul 19, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 19, 2014
  14. Rolfe

    Rolfe
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2014
    Messages:
    5,291
    Likes Received:
    391
    To an extent, I agree. The Cold War was not that long ago, and stereotypes can be hard to undo.
     
    #14 Rolfe, Jul 19, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 19, 2014
  15. asterisktom

    asterisktom
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2007
    Messages:
    2,292
    Likes Received:
    21
    It doesn't say anything to those who don't like what it says. Forget Limbaugh and Clinton. They have nothing to do with this. Do you know how to stay on topic?
     
  16. InTheLight

    InTheLight
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    16,186
    Likes Received:
    611
    There is no "topic." There is only a bunch of leading questions with false assumptions. There is nothing to talk about.
     

Share This Page

Loading...