Midwestern BTS

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  1. StefanM

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    I know the president of the seminary is Calvinist, but I do not know about the seminary as a whole.

    Does anyone know if Midwestern is heading (or has already gone) toward an entirely Calvinist faculty (like Southern), or does the seminary president just happen to be Calvnist?

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    I graduated from MBTS in 2003. I would not consider Midwestern to be on the same level as far as Calvinist doctrine as Southern. I think there is a good mix of professors there. However, some of the best profs I had there are Calvinists.
     
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    Eventually you will have the Calvinist seminaries and the non Calvinist seminaries within the SBC.
     
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    That's what I anticipate as well, go2church. I just do not know where MBTS will fall. They only adhere to the 2000 BFM, not additional statements of faith like the antebellum Abstract of Principles at Southern, so I would assume that a Calvinist "takeover" (so to speak) might be a bit more difficult.

    With the way the strong Calvinist / quasi-Calvinist dichotomy is going in the SBC, it seems like I shall be forced to choose one or the other. This is a quandary for me since I'm not a strong Calvinist, for on one hand I don't want to study at a place like Southern because of the faculty being all Calvinist because I don't want to feel like an outsider or "inferior," but on the other hand I would really like to study under some of the Calvinist professors because many of them are highly respected scholars.

    I suppose I see no justification for doctrinal requirements for an SBC seminary beyond the official, current doctrine of the SBC itself.
     
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    Well there are other seminaries where you can go to school, are you married to the SBC?
     
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    Yes, I'm pretty much married to the SBC for a few reasons. I'd like to go to a school that is Baptist in focus that believes in the infallibility of scripture, and the SBC schools are very economical for a Southern Baptist like me. Also, from what I've seen in some searches for pastors of SBC churches, the committees prefer graduates of SBC schools.

    However, if I decide to study for a Th.M, Ph.D, or D.Min, I would not be totally averse to studying at a non-Baptist evangelical institution like Trinity EDS. I would simply prefer to get an M.Div. from one of the SBC schools.
     
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    That being the case I would recommend Golden Gate (I know it isn't even close to Arkansas), with the distance from the South they tend to be a bit more in touch with reality. Although they have a new president, so there is guarantee they will stay that way. The whole committee thing is a crap shoot, the church I pastor now when going over my resume didn't know that Golden Gate was an SBC seminary. Go figure! Most really want to see that you went to school and finished. Nobody agrees with their school 100% of the time anyhow. If I was choosing a school today I would go to Truett.
     
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    NOTE: it should read "no guarantee"
     
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    Golden Gate's new president is Jeff Iorg, who is from the Northwest. I met Jeff a couple of times; he is a good guy. I do not think that he will involve Golden Gate in the politics of the convention. Most Southern Baptists from the Northwest do not know and do not care about what goes on in the convention. They are mostly pretty conservative, just not involved in the politics of the convention.

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    Stefan,

    Have you considered Boyce Bible College in Little Rock? If I understand correctly, isn't that an extension of Southern?

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    I know Southwestern Seminary has a satellite M.Div. program at the Arkansas Baptist State Convention Building, but I am unaware of the program you mentioned, Joseph.

    I would really prefer to attend a seminary full-time at its main campus, so I would be able to maximize the number of professors I could study under and to finish the degree in 3 years. Additionally, I want to have easy access to a good theological library. Since Little Rock is severely lacking in this area, I'd have to do inter-library loan (which is not appealing at all).

    I suppose I shall have to give Golden Gate more consideration in my search. A seminary out of convention politics would be refreshing. Now if only I could get rid of that insanely high cost of living in California!

    As an aside, I looked at the apartments on GGBTS's website. They make dorm rooms look spacious!
     
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    Golden Gate's campus leaves quite a bit to be desired. Its location is incredible (on top of a hill overlooking the bay and downtown San Francisco), but the campus itself is nothing to write home about. The cost of living in and around San Francisco is atrocious.
    Golden Gate is very much focused on missions, particularly foreign missions (or at least cross-cultural missions, which does not necessarily entail going overseas). I do not know how they would be rated academically, however.

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    Stefan,

    Do you live in Sherwood?

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    Yes, I live in Sherwood.
     
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    I am right around the corner from you in Gravel Ridge. Small world.

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    Serious question: Why would you want to go to a seminary that ISN'T calvinistic? One might not like or agree with it, but it is a consistent hermeneutic compared to the nonsense that is floating in the arminian/wesleyan/charismatic alterntives in the quasi-baptist realm.
     
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    I just have qualms about attending a seminary that is COMPLETELY Calvinist. In my mind, that doesn't exactly offer a diverse range of perspectives. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to go to a seminary that had NO Calvinists for the same reason.

    But more importantly, I do not want to be the token non-Calvinist, so that I do not become a pariah for dissenting theologically. I would not expect the professors to treat me that way, but perhaps some studens may. However, I'll readily admit that I may be wrong, having never attended a seminary.
     
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    I have never seen someone get picked on because they are not a Calvinist at Southern.
    Moreover, I can't recall Calvinism ever coming up in a class unless it was during Sotriology section of Systematic Theology or in a Church History/Baptist History class. No prof is looking to discuss Calvinism all the time, so I would not worry about that.
     
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    That's good that no one gets actively snubbed for being non-Calvinist, but do you know if one is "looked down" upon for not being Calvinist?

    As far as schools go, if not for the Calvinism issue, Southern would be my first choice. However, if it turns out that everything would be fine, I'd definitely look forward to packing my bags for Kentucky!
     
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    No one is "looked down upon" for not being a Calvinist. But, it is true that the vast majority of students are Calvinists.

    There will only be disagreements if someone speaks up and brings up a point of contention. Otherwise, I don't think anyone would ever know what you believe or reject. We don't have to sign our name on the "C" or "A" list when we get here. [​IMG]

    On the other hand, some views just don't have the same validity as others (as Dr. Bob noted), so there is probably a lesser view of those positions. But, that'll happen anywhere you go. If a school hates Calvinism, they'll talk bad about it and look down on it. I guess it's all perspective.
     

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