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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by HeLeft9941, Apr 7, 2004.

  1. HeLeft9941

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    I think maybe you guys are missing the point here... We are allowed our differing views and have been asked to not attack either side. The Bible calls us to speak in love. If you remember correctly, it's "Speak the truth in love." We don't know for sure which is the truth. We only have our opinions. Remember also that there is a verse that says, "As far as it depends on you, live at peace with all men." Is this really something worth aruging over?

    Personally, I don't believe that KJV is the ONLY on out there. After all, it too was translated by men. I believe that we need to reach the people where they are and if having a Bible that is more readable for them, hey, at least they're reading it, right? I use the KJV, NIV, NLT, the Message... I'll use just about anything. I love to cross reference them. I don't know how many of you have read the Purpose Driven Life but Rick Warren makes a powerful point. He uses different translations to offer a new treatment. We are given vaccinations to avoid getting sick. The same thing over and over again so that when the illness hits us, our bodies can fit it off. The same can be true of Biblical translations in my opinion. If we read always read the same verse in the same translation we can become immune to its meaning. If we read it in a different translation, it can provide new understanding. That is my opinion. Those of you who believe that KJV is the only way, that's okay too. As long as we're reading the Bible, I don't really see what the big deal is.
    Let's remember to speak with love. It frustrates me to see people fighting over something that we're aren't really going to know about until we reach eternity.

    Love in Christ,
    Me
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    HeLeft9941: "As long as we're reading the Bible, I don't really see what the big deal is.
    Let's remember to speak with love."

    what you may have overlooked is that folks that agree with
    you will follow your advise. The persons who define
    "the Bible" different than you, that is another matter.
    (needless to say, the worse offenders are out of here:( )

    For some (worse case)* KJVOs
    "The Bible" refers to the KJV 1769 edition
    (can also be KJV1762) only. This superceeds the Textus Receptus,
    all earlier, and all later English versions.
    English rules! If you don't agree you are the devil's spawn.
    The KJV1611 edition contains Jesuit propaganda and demonic
    evils in the form of the Apochophra and those pesky
    translator notes which bring people to doubt "the Bible".

    *may not refer to anybody who is left

    So, Sir, when you say:
    ""As long as we're reading the Bible, I don't really
    see what the big deal is."
    such a die hard KJV onlists preceives you as reading
    a KJV1769 yet you mean you are reading any valid MV
    perchance even that evil KJV1611 (reprint by Nelson).

    I.E. The ground is NOT level here, not at all.

    [​IMG]
     
  3. HeLeft9941

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    okay... I must admit that you are right. "the Bible" can mean different things to different people. When I say the Bible I am only thinking that which is breathed by God. Yes, I know that hard-core KJVers are going to say that only the KJV is breathed by God and all else is corrupt or evil. I, however, mean many translations... KJV, NKJV, NLT, NASB, the Message, NIV... I think you get the point. God can use any of those to speak to you. I guess that was my point; I just needed to clarify.
     
  4. Watchman

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    HeLeft9941,
    To give you the best answer I can, please refer to Dr. Bob's excellent post, "Definitions of KJVonly."
    If a KJVO simply PREFERS the KJV (Dr. Bob's #1), this simply means they prefer it and should not be criticized any more than one who prefers the NIV, ESV or any other version. Everyone has their preferences in life.
    But if a KJVO person defines their belief by, let's say #4 or 5, you are clearly getting into heresy and this should be spoken against.
    I too am thrilled that folks read the Bible and more thrilled if they obey and follow it's teaching. I also believe that some posts should be more civil.
    Exposing the radical fringe on this issue, I believe, is, not only well within sound Christian ethics, but it is a duty.
     
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    Just so I make it clear, I'm not saying the KJVers are wrong and should stop being so tight-laced or whatever anyone of you might want to say. Nor am I saying that it doesn't matter what kind of Bible you read. PERSONALLY, I wouldn't base EVERYTHING out of the Message or something such as that. Simply because it is a paraphrase, a study tool. However, you can learn just as much from it as you can from KJV or NIV. As I mentioned in my original posting, reading other versions can help us not become immune to the meaning. Just so you guys know, I'm not bashing either side of the issue. And, Watchman, I will definitely read that post. Thanks for the input.
     
  7. robycop3

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    HeLeft, this whole mess started many years ago when some people started condemning all BVs but the KJV and then began reviling those who use other versions, You see it right here with "no final authority" & other buzzwords the KJVOs use. Knowing KJVOnlyism is a proven false doctrine, shame on us if we sit silently by while they pollute the minds of newer Christians or those weaker in faith with their hooey.

    You see the results of keeping silent about other things all around us. The Communist ACLU is what it is because too few Americans spoke out against their garbage and failed to elect judges who'd laugh them out of court. There's a constant Governmental attack on Christianity, while Islam & other non-Christian religions have their rights PROTECTED by the law.

    To sit silently by while someone hawks a KNOWN FALSE DOCTRINE is a SIN when we KNOW it's false & have the means to work against it.
     
  8. USN2Pulpit

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    Yes, but refuting false doctrine on the internet and doing it face-to-face are two different things. People are much braver (and reckless at times) with their words on an on-line bulletin board than they are when face-to-face. I mean that, of course, on both sides of the issue.

    Normally (but not always) people are more courteous when they're actually in one another's presence. For instance, I am a pastor (SBC) and my cousin is a pastor (IFB). It's his belief that KJVO is the only way to go. He's sincere in his belief. I am equally sincere that the ESV or NAS are superior versions. While we are able to discuss and debate politely, we never resort to name-calling and accusations that sometimes happen on Christian bulletin boards.
     
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    We DO have the advantage of voice inflections, etc. face-to-face, and most of us can talk faster than we can type. And I'm glad to see you can converse w/your cousin w/o it degenerating into a shouting match. One advantage of electronic discussion is that it can't degenerate into a fight.
     
  10. dianetavegia

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    He Left 99 for 1! Wonderful username!

    Diane
     

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