Miranda rights for Enemy Combatants?

Dictatorship is dictatorship whether under the Nazi/Fascist banner or the Communist banner. Tell me the difference between Joe Stalin and Adolf Hitler. Adolf killed 6 million Jews, Stalin killed an estimated 10 million Ukrainians and untold others.

Explain to me the difference between "bho" and Hugo Chavez. I know "bho" is taller and Chavez is fatter!

 

KenH

You haven't the foggiest idea what Conservative philosophy is. Perhaps a lesson is in order!

The following article by columnist Holmes Alexander was published 30 or more years ago. It presents the best definition of true Conservative philosophy that I have read.


‘The Bobbs-Merrill Company, book publishers of the American Heritage Series, have acted better late than never in recognizing the conservative movement that has been booming along for nearly two decades now. The Heritage Series has previously put out books on the New Left and Black Nationalism, agrarian revolt and civil disobedience, literary radicalism and the libertarian theory, and now "belatedly," as the editors admit, they have made William Buckley the collector and commentator of an anthology called "Did You Ever See a Dream Walking” which gives excerpts from the writings of 25 conservative authors.

As might be expected, the best passages in the volume are those written by Bill Buckley himself. You won't find here any thumbnail definition of conservatism, but will be shown samples of what it is, and be warned away from what it is not. The samplings show that conservatism, among much else, is a form of non violent dissent against — well, materialism, statism, godlessness, immorality.

Conservatism has a lot to do with free enterprise, little to do with Big Business. Conservatism is a discipline, and thus the enemy of permissiveness It is law-and-order, but not repression. It is good manners and social responsibility, but it has few rules — stops short of maudlin pity for the poor and the minorities. It regards Communism as an unmitigated evil, calls Fascism its “illegitimate” brother, and treats Socialism as an obnoxious poor relation of both.

Conservatism is individualism, which is to say, personal freedom. The basic freedom, as Gary Wills writes in this book, is that of the human will. It cannot be killed unless the man himself is killed or reduced to a sub-human condition, as has been done in both ancient and modern times by tyrannous states.

But the individual has an obligation to use his freedom. never to abuse it, as some of our demonstrators of today have abused and debased the freedom of speech.

The ideal state, says the conservative, is one which recognizes that freedom is not given to anybody by his government, but is protected by the laws of the land, as well as by the policeman on the corner. The state, as the conservative sees it, ought to be the servant and the convenience of the free citizen.

The state is not even a leader, or should not be because it always fails in such efforts except in time of war. Dr. Milton Friedman. for example, points out that when the government sets out to help the I poor by passing minimum wage laws, it ends up creating unemployment. The welfare laws have merely perpetuated the poverty and idleness of the supposed beneficiaries. While no conservative could be an anarchist, he would eternally be for a government that is as unobtrusive as possible.

A good many conservatives — two or three in this volume — came to their present beliefs by way of Communism, the god that failed them. Not all of them embraced the Christian religion by way of reaction. As Buckley notes, it is possible for a conservative to disbelieve in a personal God, but it is impossible for a conservative to despise God. The surest synonym, — if there is any — for conservatism is morality. A man cannot be a materialist, or an egocentric, or utterly ruthless, or rudely arrogant and still qualify as a conservative.

Thus in a famous review of "Atlas Shrugged” Whittaker Chambers, then associate editor of the National Review, read Miss Ayn Rand, the author, completely out of the conservative movement. "Out of a lifetime of reading," Chambers wrote, "I can recall no other book in which the tone of overriding arrogance was so implacably sustained." And the National Review itself publicly excommunicated Robert Welch first because the editors found his conspiratorial theories to be unsound, and second because to keep silent about Mr. Welch under the circumstances might seem to give consent to his unsound ideas.

I said that conservatism is a dissent, and you will find in this book that it is a dissent against ideas and persons that attempt to enslave the individual.’

 

He wasn't the president who jailed this child. He's the one who set him free. The kid was jailed by your main man.

 

Whatever yiu say, Ken. You are swinging like a drunk. Rush is state run-media ?

Conservatives stand for personal liberty, less government, lower taxes, and a non-intervetionist foreign policy. Hitler stood for none of those. Grow up.

Read my signature line from a democrat. Also, I refer you to JFK illegally bugging MLK's phone. Add that to the democrat inability to get the civil rights bill passed. And for Jew hatred, ya just can't do much better than the zero's preacher, the REV Hatewhitey Wright.

I'm afraid you are just twisting facts, you are the one who wanted the progressive policies passed, and now that they are, you can't fathom your guilt.

 

1) I didn't say that. Please re-read what I posted.

2) And the kind of voters who placed those southern Democrats into office who opposed the civil rights bill now vote for Republicans. Those kinds of voters used to vote for Democrats by and large, now they vote for Republicans by and large.

And you really need to read some history, Bro. Curtis. Hitler's dictatorship was of the right, not the left. He was on the extreme side of your part of the political spectrum.

 

Baloney. The people who voted Byrd in, still vote him in.

That's baloney, as well. I have already demonstrated there was nothing conservative about Hitler. Give it up.

 

Yeah, evidently more and more conservatives are considering the truth to be baloney.

Okay. I will leave you in your ignorance since you evidently have no interesting in learning the truth.

 

Ken, I'm not going to play anymore. I put up valid comparisons, you have put up nothing but immature put-downs and opinion. I'll leave you to your hateful delusions.

I will say that liberal policies, like the ones that our current, & previous two presidents are enacting, helped lead Germany into facism.

 

As one of those "people," I will remind you that I have completely defined my terms, and clearly demonstrated why I refer to the administration as such.

I can't help it if my position is too strong for you to rationally deconstruct. Look, when you have the weaker argument, you have the weaker argument. Sorry.

Fascism is a governmental systemic approach, not a function of "right" or "left." Study up on political science. Of course, your "guilt by association" attempt at deflection doesn't change where we are.

Like I said...I've defined my terms, and shown why I assert what I do. My reasoning is sound, and I've given examples. I can't help it if you don't like my proposition here.

 

Well, if I ever doubted that this was JustChristian, I have my answer.

I would ask about the ethics of returning after being banned, under a different name...but I guess it's allowed now...

 

I don't know. Reading some of the posts lately makes me wonder if JC confiscated KenH's moniker!:smilewinkgrin::tongue3::thumbsup: KenH did promise to leave and a promise is a promise!

 

What are the similarities between Obama and Chavez?

 

Who's drumming up hatred for the Jews? Be specific with evidence.

 

So you believe its acceptable for your country to arrest a 14 year old child and throw him into a maximum security prison without charging him with anything? I assume then that that would be OK with you if the radical Islamic terrorists did that to a 14 year old child of yours or your neighbors?

 

They are both marxists.

 

Obama is left of a typical conservative, but he is not nearly left enough in his politics to be classified as a Marxist.

 

Really? So how much of this does Obama disagree with?

 

If my neighbors 14 year old were detained in a foreign country under suspicion of terrorists activies - picked up while in the company of other terrorists - accused of associating and residing with known terrorists:

I would at least wonder:
How did he get there without his parents?
What is he doing there to begin with?
Who is he staying with while there?

Of course, you on the other hand have no interest in learning the details of the situation.

That would only serve to undermine your imagined self righteous outrage.

So tell me - how did this 14 year old travel from Chad to Pakistan?
What adults traveled with him? A 14 year old would have difficulty passing through customs.

Who was he staying with while in Pakistan?

The article doesn't even mention his parents. Could that be because 14 year olds are not considered to be children in some other parts of the world?

Do you honestly believe that the Pakistan forces picked up a 14 year old on no evidence that led them to believe that he was involved in terrorist activites?

Do you honestly believe that the U.S. took this 14 year old into custody at Gitmo just for the fun of it?

You would have a lot more credibility here if your rants had more substance and less self righteous outrage.

 

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

 

They are both would be dictators!:wavey: