Misleading Media Story May Doom Middle East Roadmap

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  1. bobfrgsn

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    Read the whole article (or commentary)to see another side to this scenario.

    http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0520-06.htm
     
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    Common Dreams - another wonderful "unbiased" "progressive" (code word for socialist) source of information, as touted on their own web site:

     
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    </font>[/QUOTE]And of course Sheeagle you are unbiased and progressive in your views as well. Since when did progressive become a code word for socialist? Where do you come up with all of your unbiased stuff? You just reject anything that is contrary to point of view .. out of hand .. with some sort of label. You make the most of the "us or them" mentality and fail miserably at see the real picture. But you mind is "made up" and therefore a waste of cyperspace debating. "My Israel ... right or wrong!"
     
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    "Progressive" Democrats are Socialists - I'll get you a link if you have to have one for proof.

    I have never claimed to be unbiased or progressive. If you thought that, you were sadly misinformed. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    No sheeagle I have never thought that you were unbiased or progressive ... your bias is such, IMHO, that much stronger words could be used. Being progressive, well by comparision, IMHO, an ostrich with his/her head in the sand is much more progressive in thought and opinion. [​IMG]
     
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    Here BOB, just for your information about code word "progressive" -

    From the Socialist web site:

    http://www.dsausa.org/about/index.html

    LINK

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    LINK

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    </font>[/QUOTE]Here Sheeagle for your information. Progressive is not a code word for Socialist ... it may be a code word for Liberal in a political context.

    For your further enlightenment your quoted statement Fifty-nine members of the 107th Congress, one-third of the House Democrats, were also members of the Democratic Socialists of America Progressive Caucus before the election ***name calling removed** I called several of the congressional offices listed in DC and while most have been asked this same questions by several callers, none of the Congress persons listed are now or ever have been members of the DSA.

    ***Attack and name calling deleted***

    [ May 21, 2003, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]
     
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    Opps. She Eagle I should have stated that the members listed are members of the Progressive Democratic Caucus ... a liberal caucus not equal as your quote would imply to the DSA
     
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    Oh yeah I should have mentioned that of all of the congress persons listed one may or may not be a declared socialist ... Bernie Sanders of Vermont. BTW I took a look at all of the links you suggested. WOW what a bunch of JUNK!
     
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    A reader sent a pm asking for the thread to be closed. As the conversation on the thread is between she-eagle and bobf and neither complained of being offended it's not being shut down right now.
    I think both have made very valid statements, and I'm interested in seeing each other's responses as long as the thread stays on topic and Murph's advice is followed.
    Gina
     
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    Very Good, Gina. Bob posted comments about this topic on another unrelated thread which have been deleted. We don't need to have this continuous conversation about this issue scattered throughout all the different threads.

    I don't have time to get to my sources at the moment to validate my statements above but will later. Some sources are in the BB archives, as well.

    In the meantime, Bob will have to wait with baited breath. [​IMG]
     
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    here are you sources.

    I am not aware of posting anywhere but here ... except that Murph (I think)sent a pm stating that he was moving the thread to News affecting Baptist.

    I am not waiting with baited breath. I really to not expect you to admit your misstatement.
     
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    Bob living as I do out here in the neighborhood of the Peoples Republic of Berkley, I have made this observation. With only two major political parties, the US does not parse out her politicians like other countries. So, the membership of the Democratic Party represents what in other countries (Germany comes to mind at the moment) would be a membership spread between the Green and the Left to Center Parties. The Republicans represent a membership that would be spread out between the the Center to Christian Democratic Parties.

    So, it is not over the top to refer to given members of Congress a small "s" socialists. Yes, there is only one big "S" one currently in the House. My own Congressman is Tomas Lantos. If we were in Hungary, I place him in the Democratic Socialist Party. This is not necessarily a pejorative term, just an accurate one. In any other country, he and Harry Truman would not be placed in the same party.
     
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    quoted from this link: http://www.dsausa.org/about/index.html

    The is a real Socialist Party. On the following link: http://bannerofliberty.com/BOL1-02MQC/11-19-2002.1.html

    The article quoted by sheeagle which alledges that the Congressional Progressive Caucus members are all members of the DSA. That is the only point I am making.

    Having live in abroad most of my adult I am well aware of naunces of politcal affiliations ... we are even getting a few more her in the US.
     
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    Thank you, Squire! [​IMG]

    Bob - the article I posted is out in various forms all over the Internet:

    http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/gov_philosophy/dsa_members.htm

    http://www.newsmax.com/archive/print.shtml?a=2002/10/15/184934

    This explains what happened after the original article was published in the Times:

    http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2002/11/13/152258

    From the Sierra Times - HARDLY a conservative publication:

    http://www.sierratimes.com/02/09/07/morse.htm


    FROM GOOGLE SEARCH

    Source:

    My old GOOGLE search cache from months ago BEFORE THE DSA CHANGED THEIR KEYWORDS & KEY DESCRIPTION FOR GOOGLE SEARCHING:


    PS: I just googled back then -

    I didn't write the original web site descriptions or key words, nor did I change the web site descriptions to what they are in their present form.


    The information on their sites may have changed since then but the ideology (and leopard spots) haven't changed one iota.

    Hope this clears up the confusion! [​IMG]
     

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