missionism/ evangelism

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  1. amity

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    Are missionism and evangelism the same thing? If not, what do you see as the difference? Are both or either scriptural? Are both or either necessary to individual salvation? to the survival of the church?

    Here is the way the issue was characterized by annsi on the "How dare you?" thread:

    Is this an accurate characterization? Why or why not?
     
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    I believe she nailed the two beliefs.

    I stand for the second one.
    I believe it is our responsibility to evangelize the world.

    We do this by missions.
    Both home missions, and foreign missions.

    Home missions, can be both verbal and non-verbal.
    Non-verbal is how we live our lives. We build relationships with people, but there comes a point we will want to share with them the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the plan of salvation..
    This is the verbal.

    Foreign missions are both verbal, and non-verbal also.
    Missionaries are our churches ambassadors to the world.
    They will witness, spread the Gospel, build churches, and seminaries to train local pastors.
    Then they are also involved in the non'verbal... medical teams, construction teams, planning shortterm mission projects for mission teams coming out of our churches.

    Missions and evangelism centers on the Great commission.
     
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    Well, since I posted it, I think it's pretty accurate. :laugh:
     
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    I posted these points on Tim's thread and got no response, but since the apply here I will post them again.

    I believe Philippians 1:7 teaches us about churches supporting missionaries. In this verse it says that the members of the church in Philippi were "partakers" of Paul's grace. In my opinion that would indicate that they partnered with him on his mission trip, and supported him. Probably with both, prayers, encouragement's, and financially. Just like we do today with missionaries from our local churches.


    Also in Acts 13:3 we see that Paul and Barnabas were "sent " by the church of Antioch.

    In my opinion it seems clear that sending and supporting missions is biblical
     
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    A woman I know from a headcovering listserver was traveling from Indiana to Mexico to do some type of missionary work, I don't even know what. I offered her and her husband to stay here. Does that amount to missionism? One believer can always help another or provide a place to stay for a few days.
     
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    I agree with Tim and Ann.

    evangelism is strictly preaching and witnessing to people verbally. Missions - in the sense that we use it here on the BB most often - encompasses more than just preaching, but telling the gospel to lost folk is its core emphasis.


    Is gospel-bringing missions work Biblical and needed?
    Romans 10
    1: Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
    2: For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
    3: For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.


    We see in these verses that Israel is desribed first off as needing salvation - hence they don't already have it, even though they are also described as being zealous towards and about God. They are even credited with a sort of righteousness....yet they still need to be saved. Even Israel, God's chosen people, still needed salvation through Jesus Christ.

    4: For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
    5: For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
    6: But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
    7: Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
    8: But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
    9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


    The passage goes on to say that those who are unsaved need to confess Christ as saviour.....verse 9 is even so specific as to say that they need to believe that God raised Him from the dead. The lost need to know that God sent Jesus as the Messiah and raised Him from the dead after Jesus died in their place. This is a very specific, directed knowledge of a very specific individual in history. Jesus Christ, and only Jesus Christ fits this description.

    13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    14: How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
    15: And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!


    This is one of my favorites, as you know because Ive used it several times lately. But verse 13 gives the requirement and verses 14 and 15 describe our duties and how they have to be accomplished.
    In order to believe and receive salvation they must call on JEsus. Look at the second question in verse 14......this means that they cannot believe on someone who they have not heard of.
    The first question in verse 15 tells us that it is part of our duty to send preachers out into areas that we are not able to get to ourselves.

    Very simply, this is Bible missions.

    Look at when Paul went out......the church in JErusalem sent him out. They had at least two full-time missions teams going out at the same time - Paul/Silas and Barnabas/John Mark.
     
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    I dont know if Id call it missionism, but it is certainly a great spirit of hospitality and help to your fellow believer!
     
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    you're right! on Tim's thread it just was so good that no one needed to add anything to it! :)
     
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    Yeah, what Bapmom said!:laugh:
     
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    How do you women do it?
    My head is going in circles trying to keep up with these mission threads!!!!!

    You all have a special gift of multitasking!!
     
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    Did you ever see a juggler? Just deal with the next one coming!! :laugh:
     
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    Thanks both of you, I started to wonder if I was posting in invisible ink :laugh: Now I just hope that I figured out that smiley thing and it worked.
     
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    "It's a gift....and a curse."

    :laugh:


    It worked Steve!


    you posted this on the other thread, but I wanted to address this too a little.....we are not sent out by our mission boards. The church sends us, the mission board comes along side and gives us aid. Ok, just like you are helping that lady and her husband by providing housing for her in her journeys, you are coming alongside to help her. That does not mean that you have authority over her, or that she is now going to Mexico at your behest.

    While these things might not be spelled out in the BIble, it is scriptural to help those who are doing such things. Paul mentions in Philippians -

    16: For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.
    17: Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.
    18: But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.

    They sent him things to help him.......


    a mission board just helps the missionary. Just like there is nothing wrong with using electricity to proclaim the gospel louder, there is nothing wrong with having an organization that provides support and helps for the people preaching God's Word. The mission board never takes the place of a church, and it should never have authority over the churches. The mission boards do not decide who goes or who stays. There might be cases where a man is not taken on by a specific mission board, but that does not preclude him from going to the field.
     
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    Did you say something?:laugh:
     
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    How gracious of you. I am sure it was a real blessing for her. I don't really see that as an analogy to the versus I posted, though. In Acts 13 we read where they were part of that fellowship. We read that they fasted, prayed, laid hands on them, and then sent them out. In Philippians 1:7 we read that Paul is writing the Church of Phillipi. He is telling them that they are all partakers of grace with him. Key word here is partakers (it means they were a co-participants). Also another key word is "all". That means the entire congregation. IMO, that can only mean that it was a church supported mission.
     
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    Now that was funny!
     
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    :applause: :applause: :applause:

    Good answer, good answer!!
     
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    I hate to say it, but I see a heart for missions in amity..
    How many others see it?
     
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    I was thinking the same thing! :godisgood:
     
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    I don't see that at all. Acts 13:2 says that the Holy Ghost said "Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. Then Acts 13:4 states clearly "So they , being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed ..."

    To me that makes it sound like there must be a direct, personal call by the Holy Spirit. The church merely allowed them to go. Same thing for all the other instances of, let's call it "evangelistic travel" in the New Testament. I see no church sponsorship.

    I have zero tolerance for missions, I assure you.
     
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