Mistake or Advanced New Revelation?

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    On a different thread (already hijacked) I was totally dumbfounded by reading what Hank said:
    Please note that Dr. Ruckman is by implication the one and only who has this information and indeed he alone has the key of knowledge concerning these 200 or more pieces of “advanced revelation”, "that were completely overlooked (or ignored) by every major Christian scholar since 90 A.D".

    This is a gnostic trait, extra and/or exclusive and/or secret revelation hidden in the ancient text to be revealed to those with the "gnosis".

    Hence the "passover" in Acts 12:4 in 36AD becomes "easter" in 1611AD.[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]I DO NOT WANT OPINIONS HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE THEOLOGY OF POSSIBLE "ADVANCED REVELATION" IN A TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE.

    Thank you. And special thanks to HankD.
     
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    Advanced revelation is a myth. There is no scriptural revelation (advanced or otherwise) past the revelations of the original authors. None. In order to accept the idea of advanced revelation, I'd hae to accept the idea that it was okay to add to scripture after the fact. Scripture itself strictly forbids this. Hence, I as a Christian have an obligation to dismiss scriptural advanced revelation ideas.
     
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    To believe in Advanced Revelation, means that by default you also believe that God ceased for a time to preserve His Word.
     
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    Even the thought of advanced revelation leaves the Church open to anything and everything. New doctrines, new prophecies, new interpretations. This is dangerous.

    I remember a couple who came to our church several years ago. They prefaced everything they said with "God told me". Then they would present many strange teachings and revelations. They did this to stop anyone from questioning what they said, because if someone questioned them they said they were questioning God. They said this because what they had shared "came from God".

    The implication of advanced revelation is a pandora's box that has been opened in the Word Faith movement and is causing much damage.

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    I DO NOT WANT OPINIONS HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE THEOLOGY OF POSSIBLE "ADVANCED REVELATION" IN A TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE.

    This type of thinking would quickly turn our churches in cults. We would be doing that which is right in our own eyes(sound familiar?) and all one has to do is point to a new revelation.

    This is cultic thinking and the most dangerous sect of the KJVO movement. This theory undermines God's finished work and opens the door for a group of men to alter the Word and justify it by claiming that God corrected the errors through them and that error is not really error.

    How people can follow this is beyond me. Even as a KJVO I knew that this was wrong and Ruckman was a nutcase.
     
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    Don't many of the AOG churches beleive that advanced revelation is still going on today? If I'm not mistaken my cousin who used to be an AoG evangelist talked of that. I don't believe it is viable in the least, as it would mean that God hadn't given us His completed word at all in any of the versions in any language and that the autographs were incomplete.

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    AVL - Think the "Word of Knowledge" movement within charismania teaches PRESENT revelation of new truths, previously unknown in the Bible.

    What Ruckman is saying is that the Anglican translators made "mistakes" in changing words, adding, subtracting, etc, but that NOW we can look back and see it was "new revelation" in 1611 to correct the Word.

    A professor friend of mine at a looney-tune ifb school in Oklahoma rewrote the Greek text to match the KJV, since the KJV expanded or gave clearer definition to words than the Greek.

    Oh my.
     
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    Ok. I thought they were two different things. I try to steer clear of my AoG relatives theology, as well as Ruckmans if I can help it. Thanks for the clarification.

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    Besides being the Only one who has, so far, unearthed these 200 "advanced revelations", here is his attitude towards the entirety of church history and scholarship.
     
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    Mormonism is based on "advanced revelation." And I do believe that the comparison of Mormonism and certain others has already been discussed here.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
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    Paul dealt with similar heresies revolving around "another gospel" and influenced by gnosticism. Nothing is new under the sun, just the names change.

    Fortunately Paul's method for dealing with heretics still works today, and we still have the instructions preserved for us today, despite the clamouring against the Word of God we see here on this board.
     
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    A man that is an heretike, after the first and second admonition reiect: knowing that hee that is such, is subuerted, and sinneth, being condemned of himselfe. Titus 3:10 AV1611
     
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    "This cult is the Alexandrian Cult of North Africa, and its tentacles stretch from Origen (184-254 A.D.) to John R. Rice"
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    This makes one wonder. Either Clemens of Alexandria(+/-150-215 A.D. that's pre-Origenes for those keeping score at home) wasn't part of the Alexandrian Cult according to Ruckman or he has never heard of the man.
     
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    When God told Moses to "smite the rock" in Exodus 17:6,it wasn't revealed until much later in Psalm 114:8 that it was a flint...

    Sounds like advanced revelation 2 me..
     
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    Another essential to the ruckman "advanced revelation" theory:
    Note that the close ("slammed shut") of the canon of revelation of the NT didn't happen until 1611AD rather than 90AD. Thus, to accomodate the 200 (or more) articles of "advanced revelation" which had been inadvertantly included by the KJV translators in the AV1611 which also had gone undetected by christendom until Peter Ruckman "discovered" them.

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    Yes, within the canon, not sucked out of someones thumb centuries later. We see many instances in the scripture where more information is provided by later writers either in the context of narrative, or in for example, Paul's description and teaching based on historical events in the OT. Paul of course probably received much of his knowlege from Jewish oral tradition, as well as the rabbinical writings that many scoff at today. At least we can say with certainty that the truths Paul wrote about in scripture are definitely true.
     
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    Advanced revelation after the cannon had already been closed. Would not that open up the possibility of writing new books into the Bible? When did God decide to add to His Word?
    I'm suspicious of anybody who tries to tell me God told him to say something or gave them a whole new extra biblical revelation.
    The new insights or revelations of the charismatics,like the name it and claim it or I have discovered a biblical secret that allows me to order God around and tell him what to do are heresies.
    We have'nt figured out how to live by and understand all God has for us in His Holy Word the way it is without adding to it.
    Would'nt it be lovely if Ruckman's article became general knowledge to all of the church, then we would all know he has finally gone off the deep end.
    If someone actually did have a new revelation from God ,would'nt God provide some sort of verification so we would know it was from Him?
     
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    Exaclty. If you want to believe in Ruckman's theory, you might as well become charismatic - as that is what they do. They suck new revelation out of their thumb outside of the Bible. In fact, some call the Bible musty old truth and moldy stories of what God use to do and say that we need new revelation today of the new things God is saying today (i.e. Tommy Tenney).
     
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    Dr. Peter S. Ruckman (a Ph.D. in theology from B.J.U. by the by) Doesn't say that they are "new revelations" What he does say (right or wrong) is that the AV is right, even when others may say it is wrong.... that if a person or school of thought sees a "mistake" in the AV, that they are wrong.... that God included the so called mistakes to prove that His Word is right and that later, the mistakes will be proven right.
     
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    When he claims that everybody else missed it until he came along to reveal it, it can only mean that he is claiming new revelations.
     

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