Modern Versions simple cannot be trusted!

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  1. aa0310

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    I am convinced that the vast majority of the modern versions of the Holy Bible, are not really the Word of God. While they pretend to be making the language easier to understand, like the Revised Version said did in 1885, they were in actual fact tampering with the Word of God, and editing it for their own evil purposes! It is no surprise that the RV changed, "Virgin" in Isaiah 7:14, to "young woman", where she might NOT be a Virgin! Even though Matthew actually quotes that verse in his Gospel, which the meaning only to be understood as "Virgin"!And in 1 Timothy 3:16, "God was manifested in the flesh...", was changed to, "Who", or "He Who", where the Greek "hos" leaves the sentence without a subject, which is incorrect in Greek grammar, where, "every sentence must contain two parts, a subject and a predicate "(W Goodwin, Greek Grammar). It is noteworthy that on the Committee for the RV, there were no less than two Unitarians, Drs J H Thayer (the Greek Lexicon scholar), and G. Vance Smith, the latter who contented that "God" had no place here! The devil surely had his way. We also must remember the famous Trinitarian text of 1 John 5:7 (King James Version), which again the devil was successful in having removed from almost all modern versions. The lie that, because they are "absent" from surviving Greek Manuscripts, and the works of the Greek Church fathers, does NOT lead us to the conclusion that they did not form part of the original Epistle of John. The words were quoted by the Latin Church father a full 100 years before our oldest Greek Manuscript (250 A.D), Cyprian of North Africa, who also had a Greek New Testament in his possession! As it was also known to the heretic, Priscillian, who used an altered version to support his heretical view of the Holy Trinity.

    I refer you to a list that will give but a few verses that have been tampered with, and adopted in the so-called "modern versions" of the Holy Bible

    http://207.44.232.113/~bible/engbib/versions.htm
     
  2. natters

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    I trust modern versions - despite the issues you raise.
     
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    Thank you for your opinion. In my opinion, it is 100% wrong, but here on the BB we all have opinions.

    If you have a text where you feel a modern version (by the way, the 1769 Oxford KJV is a "modern" version to many) or an older version strays from the Greek/Hebrew, start a discussion on it.

    We have discussions going on the 1885 RSV and its treatment of "almah", and one on the I John 5 addition to many versions. Feel free to join them, too.
     
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    Rules for debate in the Versions Forum
    by Ed Edwards

    Caveat: i do not make the rules,
    i only report them. I do not enforce the
    rules , i only keep them.

    1. Do not cite what a MV says unless you have
    checked a copy of that version to see if it
    really says what somebody else said it says
    (this is embarassing when it happens :( )

    2. Study this post:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/4/1993.html

    Determine if you are KJVO#1, #2, #3, #4, #5 or KJVO#0 (not KJV).
    Try to find out the stand of those whom you visit with.
    It is quite possible that some #3s are arguning KJVO with
    a person more KJVO than them and AT THE SAME TIME arguing with
    somebody else who is less KJVO than them. It can get confusing ;)

    3. Go answer this poll. Thank you.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/4/2191.html

    4. Your ideas, opinions, insights, and encouragement are expected,
    any idiot can cut and paste from somewhere else.
    Everybody here has read most of those other sources you can read.
    But if you do cite other sources, find out how to do it at:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/20/186.html

    5. 'there' refers to over yonder
    'their' refers to stuff that belongs to them
    'they're' refers to a shortening of 'they are'

    6. Don't think anybody will miss you if you can't properly
    respect local authorities: their hints, suggestions, and recommendations.
    They think they run the place, humor them.
    I think you should obey scripture:

    But let none of you suffer as a murtherer,
    or as a theefe, or as an euill doer, or as a busibody
    in other mens matters.


    7. Always correctly identify your scriputure quotations.
    THe example is above.

    8. No 'murtherer' is not pronounced the same as 'murderer'.
     
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    "While they pretend to be making the language easier to understand, like the Revised Version said did in 1885, they were in actual fact tampering with the Word of God, and editing it for their own evil purposes!"

    Who are "they" and what are "their own evil purposes?"
     
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    How can i tell if i have a Geneva of
    1560 or one of 1572?

    Say, if the Geneva Bible is right,
    doesn't that make the following KJVs
    all MODERN VERSIONS? [​IMG]

    KJV1762, KJV1769, and unorathourzed American ripoffs

    KJV1873
     
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    There is only one problem. You are assuming that the KJV is absolutely correct and does not have any words added. Another problem is that the KJV translators who were pedobaptists did not make such a claim as you.

    The word conversation was omitted in the MV’s in

    Psal 37:14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
    Psal 50:23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.
    2Cor 1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.
    Gala 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
    Ephe 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
    Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
    Phil 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
    Phil 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
    1Tim 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
    Hebr 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    Hebr 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
    Jame 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
    1Pet 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
    1Pet 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
    1Pet 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
    1Pet 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
    2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
    1Pet 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
    2Pet 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
    2Pet 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
     
  9. Askjo

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    I don't.
     
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    Modern versions are dangerous.
     
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    When compared to the NASU 95 the KJV omitted Lord Jesus Christ in Romans 15:30 and 1 Cor. 6:11. Where are the words?

    It seems the KJV can't be trusted. According to the NASU 95 the KJV is missing some words.
     
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    Your proof is amazing.
     
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    So is the KJV. All can cause serious pain when dropped on your toe. Except my small paperback NASB NT - but I can still get paper cuts from that one.
     
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    1 John 5:7 (New King James Version)
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.


    7For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
     
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    Once again a statement with not proof. I suppose we need to warn all the people God has blessed they use MVs that they are in grave danger. :rolleyes:
     
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    aa0310: "We also must remember the famous Trinitarian text of 1 John 5:7 (King James Version), which again the devil was successful in having removed from almost all modern versions."

    Generaly people who say things like: "Modern Versions Simple
    Cannot be Trusted" tend to say things like that above.
    Actually, i think a true KJVO4 or KJVO5 might consider it
    a SIN TO HAVE A MV. Having no mV, they cannot speak sense about MVs.

    BruceB: "1 John 5:7 (New King James Version)

    7For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

    But the "Modern Versions Simple Cannot be Trusted" folk never give
    credit. For them it is all Black or all White. Sorry, reality
    sometimes has interesting shades of grey, some even a color or two.
    There has to be something wrong with a philosophy that will
    not acknowledge partial success.
     
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    Reminder to all - if you are a non-Baptist (not an active member of a Baptist church), then you are NOT permitted to post in this forum or other restricted forums.

    Half the BaptistBoard is for ALL Christians. Take your topics there.

    Thank you.
     
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    aa0310 said:

    I am convinced that the vast majority of the modern versions of the Holy Bible, are not really the Word of God.

    I'm convinced you're going to write me a check for several million dollars, no strings attached.

    Hey, if you go for wishful thinking, you might as well wish for something useful.
     
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    Does that include the modern versions of the KJV, 1762, 1769, etc?
     
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    Hello, I really don't know what the fuss here is all about. I attend a Baptist Church which is "Evangelical", a term I like to use more than the Baptist, especially since I am not a Calvinist! Are you saying that because I am an Evangelical I am not a Baptist? Or, because I put my Church as being Evangelical, that I could not be a Baptist? Surely this reasoning is not logical!
     

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