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Discussion in '2008 Archive' started by LadyEagle, Jan 16, 2007.
Certain equipment should not be sold. If we can't use it, then the government should simply destroy it.
This is a big concern I have, as well, if we ever leave Iraq. How much are we going to leave behind for potential enemies to use against us and our troops?
Like I said, incompetence at the helm. Someone who actually knew something about security or cared about security of this country would have taken/take necessary steps to protect our equipment and technology. If a lowly citizen nobody like me can see that, you'd think someone with all this education/advisers/position of authority could see it, too, and think about the what if's.
Uh - doesn't it kinda' go without sayin' that the purpose of weapons is for war, and that your friendly local hairdresser or banker or nurse or Joe Average Factory Worker probably does not have a pressing need for an F-14 or a Humvee?
So who do ya' figger is really buying this stuff, especially since Iran is now the only country in the world flying the F-14 Tomcat - Duh!!
How is this incompetence at the helm? Are you suggesting that Bush ordered this sale? How is he implicated here?
Our government is , unfortunately, huge. Policies that are put in place years, or even decades ago, take on a life of their own. It's still being done that way because it's always been done that way.
Someone in the DOD should have realized that it is a policy that no longer makes sense. But, bureaucrats have tunnel vision. That's the nature of the beast.
Now that someone has realized what is going on, fix it. What ifs are non productive.
Be fair....if they didn't build up tinpot regimes at least a little bit how would they have an excuse to go in and change them :BangHead:
I dunno, but maybe it's something like the international politics version of a shoot-em-up computer game...It would probably be almost fun if real people weren't always involved
I am suggesting, no, I am stating, that the buck stops with Bush. He is the CIC and appoints the Secretary of Defense. He is over the Department of Defense, ultimately. He is supposed to have more competence in thinking outside the box and the potential hazards and complications of policies, even if they have been in place for years, especially in lieu of his position of stating we are engaged in a "war on terror." The words sound great when it comes to rallying his base, but in all reality, he has not conducted himself as a president who really believes we are fighting a war - otherwise, keen oversight would have been crucial in all areas, especially in selling our military equipment and technology. He has proven, once again, how incompetent he is to be the leader of the greatest nation on earth.
I disagree. One should always be aware of potential results of one's actions/inactions and be prepared for the consequences of those actions or inactions. Especially when in the highest position of authority in the world. This, not thinking of possible consequences of behavior/actions/inaction - is very typical of alcoholics from what I have observed through the years, as well as of immature people. All actions or inactions have consequences for what we do.
For example, if I decide to not show up at work for a week without calling in, the possible consequences are: (a) I won't get paid for those days off, and/or (b) I will get fired.
A mature person thinks about possible end results of what they do. Alcoholics and immature people have that capability stunted, underdeveloped, and have a lackidasical attitude about the end result of their actions.
First, Presidents do not have time to run Ebay deals with other countries. If you think the President should get bogged down in this kind of stuff, then ... well ... I don't know what to say.
Second, did he know about it? If he did, then perhaps he should have stopped it. I don't know enough about it to say whether he should have or not. But it is unlikely that he even knew about it.
Not on the basis of this. This seems a lack of critical thinking skills, to me. Charging Bush with "incompetence" is the new sport. It is probably unfounded to a large degree. He has made plenty of mistakes to be sure. But incompetence is a pretty serious charge that is simply not borne out by the actual record. The only way to get there is to approach it from a political standpoint.
Something to consider on the incompetence argument... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4Bhmm22xo.
What is it? I don't watch youtube.
It's contrasting video of W in a Texas Gubernatorial debate in 1994 in which he is lucid, without notes, does not pause nor stumble, has clear recall of statistical information and precisely enunciates difficult expressions.
Go forward 10 years to the presidential debates and he lacks all of the preceding mentioned qualities.
"...funding for dealing with um for um dealing with nuclear proliferation about 35% since I've been the president and secondly we've sa set-up what's called, well first of all I agree with uh my opponent that the biggest threat facing this country is weapons of mass destruction in the hands of a terrorist network and that's why p - proliferation is uh one of the center pieces of a multi-pronged strategy to make the country safer um."
Then from a speech...
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and people and neither will we."
Here's what one doctor thinks...
"Slowly developing cognitive deficits as demonstrated so clearly by the President can represent only one diagnosis, and that is...presenile dimentia." - Dr. Joseph Price The Atlantic, October 2004
Quote from the video...
"Whatever the reason, whatever the diagnosis, even when he's rehearsed and prepared, George Bush has problems he did not have ten years ago."
Here's some more background about the video as well as a non you tube clip of it...
Many brain disorders can arise from alcoholism. Ask anyone who has an alcoholic family member or friend.
I think that's pure nonsense, personally. When someone has a lot on their mind, it is very easy to stumble over words. In 1994, Bush had very little on his mind. Now, that is exponentially larger.
As for your quotes about "the enemy ... and so will we," anyone who does enough public speaking will say crazy things. I do it all the time. Everyone does. I think it is plainly obvious what he meant by those quotes, and your attempt to frame them negatively against him is pure childish politics. It is the most foolish of attempts to frame a discussion in a prejudicial way.
I speak far differently than I did ten years ago. To say that is dementia is idiocy. That doctor should be ashamed to show his face and should turn in his medical license unless he has actually examined Bush.
Why? It was withheld from public information for a long time that Ronald Reagan was showing signs of Alzheimer's disease while in office long before he told the American people.
They're not my quotes, I was trying to describe to you what the video demonstrates since you were unwilling to watch it. You calling for the doctor's license without even viewing the data that is being presented just shows how blinded by partisan bias and nationalism you are and there is very little seeping through your already decided melon.
As to the childish politics, this was not a political question so much as a competency one. I think there are legitimate concerns over the competency of this man, as who he was a mere 10 years ago is far different from who is today.
He has a lot more on his mind now that he's president? Where is the precedence for this statement? Reagan was governor and a lot older then W when he became president. How about Kennedy, Clinton, Carter? You think that once someone gets promoted to that higher office they have a whole bunch on their mind and all of a sudden they start to sound like Jethro on weed?
I look forward to our continued bantering Larry but I'm now quite confident you have no interest in seeing anything differently then the way you always have. However, if our president believes that human beings and fish can coexist together peacefully, then so too can you and I.
Grace and peace to ya.
If such a statement is to be made, it should be made by a doctor with the experience and the exposure to Bush to make it. It can't be made by comparing videos. I can't imagine you disagree. How could you?
I didn't watch the video. But my opinion is based on multiple instances of incompetence we've all seen throughout the tenure of this administration with Bush at the helm. People who are alcoholics have clouded judgment. Alcohol destroys brain cells. Brain cells don't replenish themselves like other cells do. Alcoholics tend to be delusional with visions of grandieur. Alcoholics tend to be arrogant. Alcoholics seem to think like little Hitlers. Alcoholics don't think about possible repercussions from their actions....like I said, ask anyone who has lived with an alcoholic or has a family member who is alcoholic or a friend who is alcoholic. Of course, alcoholics don't see themselves that way.
In addition to allowing military arms and technology be sold to our enemies, the bungling of the Hurricane Katrina disaster, squandering of tax payer money on mobile homes sitting on empty lots that didn't ever make it to victims, ice being shipped in by trucks to victims who were not permitted to unload it and it melted, another tax dollar waste, millions of dollars unaccounted for in Iraq, not to mention the failed Iraq policy and the inept way he has conducted the so-called war on terror, and I could go on and on.
You are forgetting that I once voted for Bush the first time around. That was before I saw his job performance and the mismanagement, incompetence, and found out who his business dealings have been with. That was before I found out he is a globalist. That was before he let foreign nations who today may be a friend but tomorrow may be an enemy guard our ports, before he has shown little regard for security of our borders, and, like I said, I could go on and on. That was before he made the statements that muslims and Christians worship the same God. Before he allowed muslims to bow to the moon good in our national White House. Before he turned his back on Israel with regards to the Road Map from Hell. He may be faithful to his wife and not frolic with interns in the oval office, but that is about all I can say good about him as this nation's leader.
Yes, the buck stops with Bush. He is at the top. He has not only appointed incompetent people to fill some of his Cabinet positions, he has failed to have proper oversight. And his arrogance in not taking advice from the military generals on the ground have cost over 3000 American lives and 30-40,000 American wounded.
"By their fruits ye shall know them. There are a lot of fruits to look at from the Bush Adminstration's leadership and they are pretty much all rotten, IMO." I was deceived and voted for him once. First time shame on him, second time, shame on me. I chose not to vote for the "lesser of two evils" as Christians all over America cast their ballots.
He will probably go down as one of the worst presidents in history if any of us are still living to write about it after the next terrorist attack stemming from our unsecured borders.