More than flesh, spirit too

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  1. Winman

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    In a thread that was suddenly closed, JamesL wrote this;

    I am almost in complete agreement with James here. Our "flesh" simply lusts to gratify itself. For every person this might be different, one person may lust after porn, another person homosexuality, another drinking, gambling, or any combination of these sinful desires.

    At the same time man is spirit. Our spirits are made and given to us by God and are not sinful, at least not at first. However, as we indulge and please our flesh, our spirit or "nature" can become sinful.

    But even in this corrupted and sinful state, our spirit can will to obey God. This is shown when the disciples fell asleep in the garden.

    Mat 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

    This verse was spoken before the Holy Spirit was given to believers, and so speaks of man's "natural" spirit he was born with. Were the disciples sinners at this point? YES. But were they able to will to be obedient to Jesus? YES.

    It is folks not understanding the difference between our flesh and spirit that leads to the false doctrine of Total Inability. Even unregenerate man has the ability to will the will of God if he so chooses.

    Jhn 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

    Our spirits do become corrupted and become "sinful" when we willingly and knowingly sin against God. But when we trust Jesus our spirit is washed clean and regenerated as James said, and joined to the Holy Spirit. This is why a saved person cannot fall away and lose their salvation. (1 Jhn 3:9)

    1 Cor 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

    That a Christian can still obey the lusts of the flesh and sin is shown in the very next verse;

    1 Cor 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

    People need to understand man is both a body (flesh) and spirit. This would clear up much false doctrine as James wrote.
     
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    Why did Christ have to die?
     
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    Because all men have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
     
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    So you're no longer hung up on these theoretical ninety nine of one hundred that have no need of repentance, you are now admitting that ALL sin. Right?
     
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    For those of you who wish to delve deeper and research into the lunacy of Winman, do a BB search of Winman with the key word being 'ninety nine'.
     
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    The ninety nine are babies and very little children who have not sinned.

    As I showed in another thread, the Jews did not consider little children to be accountable under the law until about age 13 for boys, and age 12 for girls. This is when they studied the law and became accountable for their own actions.

    http://www.jewfaq.org/barmitz.htm

    Now, I must have told you guys this two dozen times. Is there something about being a Calvinist that prevents a person from comprehending very simple concepts?

    Paul shows this very concept in Romans 7, he says he was alive (spiritually) once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and he died. When Paul learned the law, he was now accountable and convicted as a sinner. He was now condemned and spiritually died.

    Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
    8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
    9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
    10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
    11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

    Take off those Reformed blinders and maybe you can grasp this very simple concept. Maybe.
     
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    Oh those poor little babies, you're soooo concerned about those poor little babies, as if God is not.
     
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    As Thomas Paine said, "Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man".
     
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    Once again, for those of you who wish to delve deeper and research into the lunacy of Winman, do a BB search of Winman with the key word being 'ninety nine'.
     
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    Here, I'll make it easy.

    Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
    11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
    12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
    13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
    14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

    Who is Jesus talking about in Matthew 18 when he says a shepherd had 100 sheep, but one went astray?? The shepherd diligently sought this one lost sheep until he found it, then Jesus said there is more joy over this one lost sheep that is recovered, than ninety-nine which went not astray.

    Who is Jesus talking about here? Little children.

    Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
    3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
    4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
    5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
    6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

    Read this over and over again until it sinks in. Even you can understand if you set your mind to it. :thumbsup:

    Here's a good exercise to begin with, count how many times Jesus mentions a "little child" or "little one" here. That will warm your brain up a little. :laugh:
     
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    ....Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mt 18:3

    In a huge way you miss the whole point in the scriptures, as usual. Your tunnel vision crusade against sovereign grace blinds you to the utter simplicity of these truths.
     
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    Wow, I must admit, I'm shocked that you give Him even that itsy bitsy credit.

    ....It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing....Jn 6:62
     
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    You're shocked? How long did that take to happen?
     
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    NOTE: When a thread is "closed", unless you have some other pertinent material, you do not "reopen" it or "quote", trying to reopen.

    This is now a second time, CLOSED
     
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