In the BP article today, Warren enlightens us as to why and how a church needs and can grow beyond its plateau. Here is the link: Baptist Press article Now, if you notice, he references two Scriptures. You can also see how he sees the church as basically a business and you operate it as such (very hard to believe ). Now, about the first Scripture, Warren says: Why is it that 95 percent of all churches in the world never grow past 300? I believe it's because their structure keeps them from growing beyond that point. Hebrews 8:13, in the Phillips paraphrase, says, "When a thing grows weak and out of date it is obviously soon going to disappear." That's also true of churches. If a church cannot change, it will eventually die. Okay, nevermind that the Phillips is worthless when proper exegesis has anything to do with the discussion, but he was driven to use it on purpose. Here it is in the NASB: Hebrews 8:13 When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. Not only did Phillips miss it, but Warren joined company and missed it also. Nice twisting of the Word to further your drivel Rick. Then, he uses the classic new win in old wineskins example. Does that passage have a thing to do with Warren's diatribe? Of course not. Does that matter? Of course not. What matters is that he has a thought, he found a verse to use, he knows he can con others into buying it because they have already gone for his other stuff, he is okay. Now, the merits of the article are completely subjective. Apparently, numbers is the only kind of growth to him. What would you say if a church had 80 members in it. It has grown by about a family a year for the past couple of years. Some people have moved away, so it generally stays around 80. The families are strong, the parents love their children, the children are not rebellious, the fathers/husbands are learning biblical theology, the older women are teaching the younger women, they have an outreach to the homeless, divorced, etc. According to Warren, such a church needs to change. Where exactly does he pull this statement: If a church cannot change, it will eventually die? Is he insane? Where is that in the Scripture? Oh yeah, no where. It is a Warren article.