moving to... where?

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  1. timothy 1769

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    my family lives in an area without any good fundamental baptist churches nearby, so we're planning to move soon.

    question is - where? we've finally paid off all our debt,
    so we can move just about anywhere i can make a
    living as a computer programmer.

    i'd love to join a fundmamental church with the
    following characteristics (in no particular order):

    a pastor truly qualified according to 1Tim 3
    KJV only
    evangelistic
    excersises church discipline
    separated, holy lives
    no CCM style services
    no enterntainment driven youth program
    tithing the norm
    families with children

    i'm posting this here so fundamentalists can read it, not so it can be debated [​IMG] but if you really think i'm wrongheaded about something, feel free to either email me or start a new topic.
     
  2. Squire Robertsson

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    For a church that is definitely 8 for your 9 and the ninth is a matter of how you define it, here is a suggestion.
     
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    Try Hammond,IN
     
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    What part of the US would you rather be in? Surely you have a preference. [​IMG]
     
  5. Dr. Bob

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    A pastor of I Timothy 3 AND KJVO? Aren't those mutually exclusive? If one is going to properly handle the Word of God, he will not remain part of that sect! :rolleyes: :eek: [​IMG]

    [ July 10, 2003, 12:44 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]
     
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    Tim,

    We moved to northern Atlanta to help with a church planter. Our church meets all of your requirements except that, while we use the KJV, we are not KJV-only. If I were you, I'd contact a Christian college that you trust and talk to their director of church planting and ask him about pastors who are out planting churches. You can discuss your list with him and then call potential pastors yourself. After that, send out resumes or apply online to jobs in those areas and see how God directs. That's what we did.

    Andy
     
  7. Tim

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    Timothy,

    Apart from the "O" in KJVO, you should be able to find lots to chose from in the Greenville, South Carolina area. I lived there both as student and staff at BJU for about 12 years and visited or knew people from dozens of IFB churches there.

    Tim
     
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    i guess i should explain what the o in kjvo means to me - that the kjv is used exclusively in all church functions and it is never "corrected" in the pulpit either by the TR or other greek editions, but is simply treated as the preserved word of god.

    all these things would tend to undermine the authority of the bible we use, and i don't want that for my family.

    my family is originally from texas, and we currently live in new york. truth be told, we don't really like living in this area of the country and miss the south. but the main issue here is to find a good church, and we would be willing to live anywhere for that.
     
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    Then you will never get all 9 because a Biblically qualified pastor is "apt to teach." What do you want a pastor to do with "he who now letteth will let?" This passage in English doesn't mean what it does in Greek. Don't you want that corrected? Don't you care about sound doctine?

    Andy

    Andy
     
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    andy,

    thank you for your responses, but i'm not interested in debating this in this thread.
     
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    I agree that this is not the place to discuss Andy's word choice. Though, I would be remiss if I preached the passage and did not explain the difference between Elizabethen usage and 2003 usage to my hearers. To me, it is not a matter of "correcting" anything, the translators were quite correct at the time of the translation in their choice of words. It is a matter, though, of explaining dialectal differences. For example, have you ever had Waltzing Matilda explained to you? [​IMG]
     
  12. MissAbbyIFBaptist

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    I know of a church that follows these standards....MINE! And I recommend it to anyone! ;) Seriously I do. I might be biased, but I don't think you could find a better pastor than the one we have. He's been preaching forty years, and I know during the time I've been under him he's never compromised. We have a pastor that lives his life to the vereses in Timothy AND is KJBO...yeah, I think it's possible, but I'm not gonna get into that here!
    We beleive in living seperated lives, and pastor would KILL the music director if he even contemplated CCM in choir or the congregation.
    Pastor dosn't beleive in programs in anything in the church...not just youth...although we do have more younger children than youth. We're VERY small, but I'm closer to these people than some of my family!
    Now I've said all that to say...if you come to our area, we'd be ecstatic! We love visitors, and we want people to join us {as in joining the church} to hold to these standards as well...BUT you must pray about it, and look into other churches like this. But I hope ya'll find a great church home...even if it isn't with us! :D
    ~Miss Abby [​IMG]
     
  13. mioque

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    Comparing your preverences to my own church.

    a pastor truly qualified according to 1Tim 3
    [​IMG]
    KJV only
    Are you crazy? ;) all of the members are native Dutch speakers.
    evangelistic
    [​IMG]
    excersises church discipline
    [​IMG] (I've gotten myself into trouble a couple of times in my younger years)
    separated, holy lives
    We try to.
    no CCM style services
    :confused:
    no enterntainment driven youth program
    [​IMG]
    tithing the norm
    [​IMG]
    families with children
    [​IMG]
    It's located in the Netherlands ofcourse.
     
  14. timothy 1769

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    well, obviously you need to get right with the lord [​IMG]
     
  15. timothy 1769

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    ok, that was a joke [​IMG]
     
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    Got the joke! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Anything to lighten up this thread! [​IMG]
     
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    Well, if you don't mind moving up north we have 3 baptist churches in our town and ours would easily meet all of your criteria. We're a small town on the edge of the auto capital of world, so there's lots of opportunities for a computer programming type person. We're a small church with a big heart and many families. We do have a bus ministry, but our children's programs are bible based, not entertainment based. We'd love to have you come for a visit at Flat Rock Missionary Baptist Church, Flat Rock, MI.
     
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    There is a good sized church in Mansfield, OH that meets those qualifications, plus has a Christian school.
    KJVO, dress code (women not allowed on the property in pants type dress code), separated, etc..
    Members are mixed income, but most seem to be middle/upper class.
    There's a teeny tiny one in my town, as in no more than ten families, a few families have kids (kids probably still outnumber the adults as most families have 3 or more), mostly farmer type poor people, not a place to find someone who can have a discussion in theology with any depth, but honest hard-working people.
    You'd fall over in a dead faint if you walked into the one I attend, or I'd be tellin' you all about it. [​IMG]
    Gina
     
  19. mioque

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    Timothy
    I just realized that in the US you often have only 2 or 3 weeks vacation time (not counting things like thanksgiving). The usual vacation time in my country is 5 weeks (not counting national holidays).
    You might want to consider emigrating to the EU, where those long vacations are the norm.


    Just (some thruthfull) bragging. [​IMG]
     
  20. I Am Blessed 24

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    Come to Illinois...

    This is our Church Doctrine/Statement of Faith. I don't believe it leaves any doubt as to where we stand.

    We have a Christian pre-school, Christian Grade school, Christian High School, and a Christian two-year college program. You can find more information by clicking on the link at the bottom of this page.

    ARTICLE I. THE SCRIPTURES

    The Bible, including both Old and New Testaments, in the original autographs is the inerrant, infallible, and inspired Word of God. The Scripture is the final Authority in all matters of faith and practice. (II Timothy 3:16; II Peter 1:20, 21)

    ARTICLE II. THE SOVEREIGN GOD

    God is a Person, eternally existing, as a Trinity in unity – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – three Persons and yet but one God. (Deuteronomy 6:4; Matthew 28:19; I Corinthians 8:6)

    ARTICLE III. THE SON OF GOD

    Jesus Christ, eternally existing, is the only begotten Son of God, Who became a man totally apart from sin, being conceived be the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, and is true God and true man. (Luke 1:30-35; John 1:1-15; Philippians 2:5-8; Colossians 1:15)

    ARTICLE IV. MAN

    Man was created in the image of God but fell through sin, bringing not only physical death but also spiritual death – separation from God. Now all mankind is totally depraved, having inherited a sinful nature, is bent toward sinning, and has become sinful in thought, word, and deed. (Gensis 1:26, 27; 2:16, 17; 3:6-19; Romans 3:10-23; 6:23)

    ARTICLE V. SALVATION

    The Salvation of sinners is wholly of grace, accomplished through personal faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the Cross. (John 1:12; 3:3-7; Ephesians 2:8-9)

    ARTICLE VI. SECURITY

    The elect of God, at the point of salvation, are given the gift of eternal life. They are thus kept by God’s power and are secure in Christ forever. (John 10:27-30; Romans 8:31-39; Romans 6:23: I John 5:11-13)

    ARTICLE VIII. SANCTIFICATION

    Sanctification is the process, begun at the point of salvation and continuing until the time of glorification, whereby the believer is set apart as a partaker of the holiness of Christ. (Hebrews 10:10; Philippians 3:21; John 17:17)

    ARTICLE IX. THE CHURCH

    A New Testament of the Lord Jesus Christ is a local body of baptized believers in Jesus Christ, observing His laws, practicing His ordinances, and carrying out His commission. Such a group is associated together by a common faith and fellowship in the Gospel.

    The Church is an autonomous body, free from the mandates of any hierarchy and responsibility directly to her Lord.

    The Scriptural officers of a Church are Bishops (or Pastors) and Deacons, whose qualifications and responsibilities are defined in Acts 6, I Timothy 3, and Titus 1. (Acts 2:41-42; I Corinthians 11:2; Matthew 28:19-20; Ephesians 1:22-23)

    ARTICLE X. BAPTISM AND THE LORD’S SUPPER

    There are two Church Ordinance: Baptism and the Lord’s Supper. Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer’s faith in a crucified, buried and risen Saviour, the believer’s death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus. It is a testimony to his faith in the final resurrection of the dead. Being a Church ordinance, it is a prerequisite to the privileges of the membership and to the Lord’s Supper.

    The Lord’s Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members of the church, through partaking of the bread and the fruit of the vine, memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming. (Matthew 3:13-17; 28:19-20; Acts 8:35-39; Romans 6:3-5; I Corinthians 11:23-29; Colossians 2:12)

    ARTICLE XI. CIVIL GOVERNMENT

    Civil government is divinely appointed for the interest and good of human society. Thus, magistrates are to be prayed for and conscientiously obeyed, except in things opposed to the Will of God.

    The Church and State are to be separate. That is, neither should exercise control over the other. (Romans 13:1-7; Matthew 22:21; Acts 5:29; Matthew 23:10; Revelation 19:16)

    ARTICLE XII. EDUCATION

    The primary responsibility of education was given to the home and the church. We believe that our children should be taught subjects from a Christian point of view. The education of children should include informing them of the necessity of a personal experience with Jesus Christ.

    A commitment to Christian Education must also be a commitment to Academic Excellence and Academic Responsibility. (Deuteronomy 6:1-10; Job 28:28; Psalms 1; Psalms 19:7-11; Proverbs 22:6; Matthew 7:24-27; Matthew 28:18-20; I Corithians 1:18-31)

    ARTICLE XIII. STEWARDSHIP

    God is source of all blessings, temporal and spiritual; all that we have and are we owe to Him. Christians are therefore under obligation to serve Him with their time, talents, and material possessions; and should recognize all these are entrusted to them to use for the glory of God and for helping others. According to the Scriptures, Christians should contribute of their means cheerfully, regularly, systematically, proportionaltely, and liberally for the advancement of the Redeemer’s cause on earth. THE TITHE IS TO BE CONSIDERED THE STARTING PLACE OF CHRISTIAN STEWARDSHIP. (Leviticus 27:30-32; Malachi 3:8-12; Matthew 23:23; Luke 12:16-21)

    ARTICLE XV. FUTURE EVENTS

    At death the spirit and soul of the believer pass instantly into the presence of Christ and remain in conscious joy until the resurrection of the body when Christ comes for His own (II Corinthians 5:8; I Corinthians 15: 51-57). The blessed hope is the imminent, personal, pre-tribulational, pre-millennial appearance of Christ to rapture the Church (Titus 2:13; I Thess. 4:14-17). His righteous judgements will then be poured out on an unbelieving world during the Tribulation. The climax of this era will be the physical return of Jesus Christ to the earth in great glory to introduce the Davidic Kingdom (Rev. 19:11-16). Following the Millennium, the Great White Throne Judgement will occur, at which time the bodies and souls of the wicked shall be reunited and cast into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:11-15). The righteous shall enjoy eternal conscious blessedness with the Lord.

    CHURCH COVENANT

    Having been led, as we believe, by the Spirit of God, to receive the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior, and on the profession of our faith, having been baptized (immersed) in the name of the Father, and the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, we do now in the presence of God, and this assembly, most solemnly and joyfully enter into covenant with one another, as one body in Christ.

    We engage, therefore, by the aid of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Bible to walk together in Christian love; to strive for the advancement of this church in knowledge, holiness, and comfort; to promote its prosperity and spirituality; to sustain its worship, ordinances, discipline, and doctrines; to bring tithes and offerings cheerfully and regularly for the support of the ministry, the expenses of the church, the relief of the poor, and the spread of the Gospel through all nations.

    We also engage to seek the salvation of lost souls; to maintain family and private devotions; and to teach our children the Truths of God’s Word; to walk circumspectly in the world; to be just in our dealings, faithful in our engagements, and exemplary in our deportment; and to abstain from the sale and use of intoxicating drink as a beverage.

    We further engage to watch over one another in brotherly love, to remember each other in prayer; to aid each other in sickness and distress; to cultivate Christian sympathy in feeling and courtesy in speech; to be slow to take offence, but always ready for reconciliation; to avoid the sins of the tongue by giving only a good report about others or by remaining silent.

    We moreover engage that, when we remove from this place, we will as soon as possible unite with some other Bible-believing church where we can carry out the spirit of this covenant and the principles of God’s Word.

    LINK TO PARK MEADOWS BAPTIST CHURCH

    [ July 13, 2003, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: I Am Blessed 16 ]
     

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