MUST One Hold To A Physical Resurrection Of Jesus To Be saved?

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  1. JesusFan

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    Believe that Jesus DID rise in a physical bodily form, his actually body being glorified, and think this is correct Biblical understanding

    Must though one hold to that to be really saved, or is a belief in a spritual form good enough too?
     
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    Q: MUST One Hold To A Physical Resurrection Of Jesus To Be saved?
    A: Yes. Romans 10:9-10.
     
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    Does one have to believe that Christ physically rose from the dead to be saved?

    Absolutely. If one claims to be a "christian" and denies the full and bodily resurrection of Christ, he or she is no Christian at all.

    See here:
    12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied. (1 Corinthians 15:12-19 ESV)
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  4. Allan

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    Preach it Arch! BTW - I agree with you :)
     
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    Paul dealt with this same issue in I Corinthians 15. How someone can deny the physical ressurection of Jesus and keep a straight face is beyond understanding. They make a mockery of Christian faith and strip away the victory that Jesus gives us over death.
     
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    The problem is the very nature of Jesus and what He did on the cross hinges on this. If Jesus did not rise from the dead physically, then much of Scripture - including what Jesus Himself said, is a lie - and we cannot trust it any longer.
     
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    ABSOLUTELY!


    It is a lie from hell to accept a "spiritualized" form of the ACTUAL HISTORICAL resurrection, life, ministry, ascension, etc., of Jesus.

    That is an old liberal heresy that the Tübingen School pressed forward into modernity that was gathered in from earlier Greek philosophy which suggested that the highest form possible (most godly) is the spiritual realm, and not the physical realm, which the Greeks saw as less than ideal or even cursed (metaphysical dualism).
     
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    Excellent answer that cannot be refuted. :thumbs:

    I guess the thread can be closed now? :D
     
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    The question for me in its current state is not a yes or no answer. The problem is we are not saved by believing in the facts, even all of them. We are saved by repentance towards God and faith towards the Lord Jesus Christ. With that I do not believe that it is possible to have faith and not believe in the resurrection since scripture says if Christ was not raised our faith is in vain (Cor 15:17). While I realize I am stretching a passage I think it would be fare to say that to not believe in a resurrected Christ the person has an improper faith in an improper messiah and no salvation would take place. Also Romans 10: 9-10 as another has pointed out.
     
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    One must believe Jesus physically rose from the dead to be saved.

    Romans 10:9 NIV
    9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
     
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    While i don't totally disagree i don't totally agree as you have stated it. Here is the reason. If you take that passage as you have as meaning to be saved it has to be followed to the letter then no person who is mute can be saved.
    What i am saying I don't believe that those things are what is required to be saved as in literally laying them out as they seem to be prescribed. I mean what if they believe His spirit was raised from the dead and not the flesh? It does not specify.
     
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    If Jesus did not rise bodily from the dead, then let's shut this board down, since it has no reason to exist. And we all are in a heap of trouble.

    Not only that, I'm going to propose to our church that we sell our church property and either divide up the money among us, or throw a really big party.
     
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    Obviously there may be a situation where one is mute...etc :rolleyes:

    However believeing in the heart that Jesus rose from the dead is indeed necessary for everyone to be saved.
     
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    One could equally spiritualize the death fo Christ. Would be no different.
     
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    Freeatlast,
    Do you believe in the literal, physical, bodily resurrection of Christ?
     
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    If someone says they believe in a Jesus who is not risen from the dead, they are believing in "another jesus,and another gospel, which is not the God given one.
    This is about the only thread where I have seen almost complete agreement from all of the posters:thumbs::applause::applause::1_grouphug:

    I see quantum is onboard, now we need Robert snow, skandelon, and winman to post so we can have one thread of full agreement!
     
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    :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

    Not to mention, "we are of all men most miserable".
     
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    Certainly.
     
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    1 Cor. 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

    6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

    16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

    17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

    18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

    19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

    20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.


    Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

    39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

    40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

    41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

    So, yes, I think it is necessary to believe in a physical resurrection of Jesus to be saved.



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    There would be a HUGE difference. If we can spiritualize something as radically critical as the work of Christ, we can spiritualize anything or everything, and once we spiritualize it, we can then start to tinker with it, modifying it to fit our own goals and needs. I believe that you will find the origins of every single heretical cult within the concept of spiritualization of what was, in fact, an historical event, prophesied, and fulfilled, just as God promised in the Word and by the recorded mouth of prophets led by His Spirit.
     

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