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  1. Thinkingstuff

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    Mutations are always negative. None of this supports the evolution myth
     
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    The topic of mutation isn't synonymous with the topic of evolution.
    Almost. They are usually negative, but they are occaisionally positive. The nectarine is a mutation of the peach. It's still the same species as peaches, but the mutation resulted in a different cultivar group.

    I just realize I've been watching too much HGTV.
     
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    No scientist is talking about evolution these days without talking about mutation. It is the cornerstone of evolution.
     
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    So what? It's also the cornerstone of natural selection. It's also the cornerstone of genetics.

    I'm simply saying there's no need to turn a simple discussion on mutation into an anti-evolution topic.

    Further, your post claiming that mutations are always negative is incorrect. They are usually negative, but they are occaisionally positive. The nectarine, a mutation of the peach, is a good example of a positive mutation.
     
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    ummm...no its not. It is a result of cross breeding not mutation. As far as evolution goes read the op.
     
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    Well, I'm referring to the article which does make this comparision
    The consensus of most Christians I've come in contact with hold to Revmitchells persepective. Mutations are always harmful but when I read this study
    I wondered that if every mutation is bad then humanity as a whole is either degenerating and the end may be apparent or that mutation is natural in selection and random mutations may occur in such a manner that occasionally humanity may hit on one that makes him more adaptable for current environment.
     
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    You're factually in error. Take a botany class. The nectarine is a mutation of peach.
    I'm aware of the OP I wasn't addressing the topic of evolution. I was addressing the fact (not opinion) that the topic of mutation isn't synonymous with the topic of evolution.
     
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    Well then how long would we need to stand in front of an x-ray machine before it would improve us?

    Based on that isn't it beneficial to destroy the earths Ozone layer to speed up evolution since its depletion increases mutations?

    Why then is it illegal in many states and at least good counsel not to marry anyone to closely related?

    The problem with this theory is that mutation never creates genes it only effects already existing genes.

    And I stand corrected on the nectarine. Regardless it is not evidence of an improvement nor is it a new type.
     
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    WHAT IS A MUTATION?
    A mutation is a permanent change in the DNA sequence of a gene. Mutations in a gene's DNA sequence can alter the amino acid sequence of the protein encoded by the gene.

    http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/archive/mutations/
     
    Nectarine Tips & Trivia
    The nectarine got its start in China as a genetic variant of the common peach and is not, as some believe, the consequence of a cross between a peach and a plum. One Chinese emperor was so enthralled with nectarines that he and his people referred to them as the "nectar of the gods."
    http://www.produceoasis.com/Items_folder/Fruits/Nectarine.html
     
    Nectarines are essentially the same fruit as Peaches, the primary difference is that nectarines are smooth-skinned and peaches are fuzzy. The smooth-skin characteristic that distinguishes nectarines is a minor genetic variation, like red hair among people; it is even possible that a peach tree may suddenly produce a branch that bears nectarines, and vice versa.
    http://www.bouquetoffruits.com/fruit-facts/nectarine-facts.html

    To respond to the OP, on the 'basis of evolution', evolution does not have anything to do with it. A nectarine is smooth, a peach is fuzzy, but they are both a type of peach. Neither has turned into something else and never will.
    Just like a Chihuahua and a Great Dane are both dogs, but neither will ever turn into a cat, or a horse.
    Now if they could just make a truly seedless watermelon, (not the white, soft seeded ones they call seedless), that tastes as good as a regular watermelon, I would buy them all the time.:thumbs:
     
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    A peach looks good




    with lots of fuzz




    But man's no peach





    and never was.




    Burma Shave
     
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    Mmmmmm.. .I just got a nectarine, set down and opened this thread.... Mmmmmm...Goood!

    How's that for divine providence!
     
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    LOL

    Now explain to the younger crowd what that means.:laugh:
     
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    Burma Shave??? What???? I don't understand???

    (Me trying to be young... Oh, to be young enough to only have peach fuzz)
     
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    I have mutant moss on my roof. I put zinc strips on the roof which is supposed to kill the moss. This year I got bright green moss growing on the zinc.
     
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    I know what you mean. I bought three bags of grass seed and it brought up the finest crop of purple thistle you've ever seen. Took 2 gallons of weed killer to take it all out. Didn't get one blade of grass.
     
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    Okay. Now listen up you young whippersnappers. Back in the "old days", before we had them thar Interstate highways, there was a roadside advertising campaign that has become a piece of Americana. Burma Shave, a shaving cream, used a series of little signs by the side of the highway. When read together, they comprised a bit of roadside poetry that always ended with the sponsors name. For example...

    "Around the curve

    Lickety split,

    Beautiful car

    Wasn't it?

    Burma Shave"


    Here is a link.
     
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    Call it evolution

    Or call it mutation

    We've littered these signs

    Across the nation.

    Burma Shave
     
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    "I thought she could swim." - Edward M. Kennedy, United States Senator
     
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    I'm sorry. I know that was in bad taste. But, I couldn't stop laughing as I was typing it...
     
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