My thoughts on salvation

So one has to be a robot in order to be saved. Some robots ordained from the foundation of the earth for everlasting punishment, and some robots ordained from the foundation of the earth for everlasting life. and later programmed to believe and repent and be faithful.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

 

Ohhhh, the old robot argument....when in doubt lets cop that sorry old worn out argument.......thats right R2D2

 

Im gone, Good Night!

 

Then explain to me why my post is wrong. According to you, some people are born destined for Hell, and some people are born destined for Heaven. Those people really don't have much of a choice. God has already ordained it. Sounds pretty robotic to me.

 

Hello, my name is R2D2. I am a robot. I know about the humans' God, and I have heard the story of Jesus. I have assimilated the data regarding his death and resurrection for those humans called sinners I cannot compute it.

Wait, something is happening to me. My computer brain is yielding different data. It is reading out a conclusion that I am a sinner just like those humans. Some unseen force is messing with me. It has taken over my computer brain, and is calculating that the story, the resurrection story is valid.

Oh no! It's true! But I don't want it to be true. I don't want to believe it is true. I don't want to repent! I don't want to trust his Jesus to rescue me. Arrrgh, he's making me believe. He's forcing me to repent.

Oh, no, he's just saved me. Against my will. He rearranged my programming. I didn't want to, but I had no choice. I am really ticked off.

Now, I know that this story will be picked apart. That's okay, I'm just having a little fun. I'm just trying to carry the old robot argument to its logical conclusion.

I'm waiting for somebody to give that testimony. I didn't want to be saved, but God made me do it. I still don't want to be saved, but that pesky God forced me. I just hate him for doing that.

Still waiting for that testimony.

 

Okay, I don't know wether or not I should jump in. I don't have this all figured out myself. But from either viewpoint some will die and go to hell, some will not. That is the reality. If God designed it that some would not have a choice, as you say (even though everyone deserves death because of our sins), does that make him any less than what he is. If we know that he has saved us shouldn't we be thankful for that. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what I or anybody else thinks is "fair", we're playing by his rules not ours. Kind of like in the story of Job, where God asks him where he was when he laid earths foundation? I honestly don't know why he saved me, I don't deserve it, but he did. To me that gives real meaning to the word grace.:godisgood:

 

If belief is irresistible for the sovereignly-elect, and impossible for the sovereignly-ignored, then the robot analogy applies; man has no choice, just like a robot.

 

As do I, it's ridiculous, and where was that belief before Calvin came along?

 

1 Corinthians 3:7 (King James Version)

So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

:godisgood:

 

Is this what your church preaches?