My view on Obama, from the conservation camp...

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  1. ReformedBaptist

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    I want to make a comment on the current financial crisis and the plans the current administration has to resolve the issues.

    I am not an Obama supporter. Didn't vote for him. Yet, at a recent national sales meeting with my company I had the opportunity to hear our chairman weigh in on the economy. (we are a multi-billon dollar real estate firm)

    One of the things commented on was the economic stimulus plan. I am summarizing of course, but the future could hold basically one of two options.

    1. Let the economy go into a depression, wipe the slate clean, and rebuild from the ground up. Basically start over. This may even be the right thing to do to reap the longest term success. However, reality meets idealism and this country simply will not tolerate it.

    2. Pump a boat load of captial into our financial instiutions to shock the ecomony back to life. We must restore liquidity to our banks or they will collapse. An example was shared of owning a swimming pool that has a bad bacteria problem. So, you go out and buy and 50 gallon drum of chlorene to kill the bacteria.

    You start by take small cup of chlorene and add a little bit every day until the 50 gallons are used. After 30 days or so you check the water and you still have a bacteria problem. You kick yourself because what you should have done is dumped the whole 50 gallon drum in and shocked the water and killed the bacteria immediately.

    When the first 350B was put into the economy, a little was given here and a little there. It didn't fix the problem. What needs to happen to enlarge the stimulus and dump the whole lot in.

    Obama obviously is doing this. Let's hope he does it right and with the right amount money. His current plan isn't big enough.

    There are three things, basically, that affect the overall economy and need to be dealt individually, but are interconnected. They are:

    1. Financial Institutions - Banks.
    2. Recession - Jobs
    3. The financial markets - confidence.

    Obama's plan works for all three. Economic stimulus to help the financial instiutions restore liquidity to the markets and prevent them from bankruptcy. If they go bust, we go into a depression.

    Create jobs in the FDR fassion. That is Obama's plan and was on his campaign platform.

    "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." -FDR. Roosevelt understood that as president he had to work to restore confidence and hope in the American people. Obama has run this same way. And he possess, in my opinion, the best personality and charisma to actually do it. As a McCain supporter, I do not believe he possess the ability to restore confidence to the American people. Obama is clearly the best canidate for that.

    My company is very conservative. What our chariman was sharing with us was his opinion, but coming from 40+ years of financial managment and real estate management experience.

    I think he is right.

    God has chosen Obama to lead this country (and his advisors, cabinet, et. et. et.) I felt like I saw the wisdom of it a little this week. I still disagree with this adminstrations morality and many of its policies. But perhaps the Lord has chosen to be kind to the USA and give it what it needed and spare us a pro-longed depression.

    I hope.

    -RB
     
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    The Lord has already chosen to be kind to the USA. We are long overdue for His Righteous Judgment. If a depression comes, it will be because we asked for it by flaunting greed, power, killing of innocent life, and winking at sodomites, to name a few of the symptoms of our sick society and government. He says He will have no other gods before him. America is guilty of putting everything and every other god before the One True God, even kicking him out of our schools and public buildings and bowing to every other god, including the god of selfishness and greed. How many people will be in church on Super Bowl Sunday?
     
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    I can think of a multitude of reasons why I don't derserve to be at peace, blessed, and happy.

    But it seems to me some folks, what they have in their heart, is they want to see judgment come because the country doesn't think and move in the direction they want it to.

    Well, my children will live in this country. They didn't make choices to tolerate homosexuality, abortion, et. So I am praying the Lord will have mercy and stop judgment.

    And I and my family will be in church on super bowl sunday. "Will you spare the nation, Lord, for 10 righteous persons?"

    May the Lord be kind, gracious and merciful to those who do not derserve it.
     
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    Your characterization is reading into motives you cannot prove. Could be from an agenda you have not revealed. Maybe you should reconsider your accusation. It would lend to credibility of your intellectual honesty.
     
  5. KenH

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    I agree with you. The stimulus program probably needs to be in the $1.5 to $2.0 trillion range over the next two years.
     
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    $1.5 to $2.0 trillion far exceeds the definition of stimulus
     
  7. ReformedBaptist

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    I expected some backlash. Be careful my brother that your not the tea pot calling the kettle black here.

    What I think is happening between conservative and the economic stimulus is conservative ideology meeting reality. I am not running into many good Christians who are conservatives that are in touch with the reality of the economic crisis we are in.

    KenH is correct in that the current stimulus bill is not large enough.
     
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    I agree with one exception. It needs to be that large but it needs to happen fast.
     
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    What you libs are doing is fear mongering to expand government control as never before. That is the reality
     
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    Rev, you are out of touch with reality. For you to call me a "lib" is laughable and reflects extremely poorly on your character and judgment. Tell me what your professional experience is in the financial world? I have 8 years running....

    I am editing to add that your response to me, and this doesn't happen often, has hurt me and that's not easy to do. I will leave my original response for the sake of integrity, but it is more of a reaction than a response.
     
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    I see that anyone who doesn't agree with Revmitchell is a "liberal."

    Rev, you really need to purchase a dictionary! :laugh:
     
  12. Aaron

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    And the election of Obama was the down payment.
     
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    Deliver us from evil. :tear:
     
  14. KenH

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    That happened when George W. Bush ceased being our president.
     
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    Out of the frying pan into the fire as evidenced by the death warrants of our unborn children were signed by Obama. Sacrificing children at the alter of liberalism.
     
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    We lost 2 Million jobs last year, 70K today alone. No one has to be a fear monger, we simply need to tell the state of the economy.

    Now I am not in favor of the current stimulus package as it stands but the concept is very much needed because we're out of room for the starving and homeless.
     
  17. ReformedBaptist

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    The "desire" I percieve from some folks on BB who seem to want God to destroy America is disgusting. I am appalled at this and would be ashamed to be identified as a Christian with some folks.

    It is the complete OPPOSITE of the Lord's heart who does NOT desire the death of wicked, although He does bring it about. All His judgments and His wrath are good, and right, and perfect.

    Why do you think the book of Revelation says "EVEN SO, come Lord Jesus." And when God's wrath is poured out on the world for shedding the blood of righeous, why does the Altar say EVEN SO, righteous and true are your judgments oh God.

    EVEN SO, EVEN SO, EVEN SO....

    Let me be more bold. What is going on in your heart when you contemplate the death and judgment of the wicked. Are you really feeling smug and justified?

    Or does your heart sigh and you respond with...even so Lord, even so...

    In my blind arrogance and pompous self-righteous attitude I have to admit I have not always had an "even so" heart.

    But I see what is happening in the US and I percieve some things to be judgment (I don't know, God hasn't told me) I am not rejoicing. My heart is sighing. My heart is sad. There are many families, men women and children that suffering....and it could get worse.

    And what is our message to them Christians? "You are getting what you derserve?"

    Frankly, if that is your message please shut up. Your giving Christ and His people a bad name. Your dishonoring God.

    What is my message? "Jesus is kind to sinners. Jesus is merciful to sinners. There is hope in Christ, joy in Christ, peace in Christ, forgiveness in Christ. Look to Christ Jesus! Look to Him crucified and risen from the dead! Repent of your sin and transgression and turn and look to Christ and be healed! Hallelujah!."

    And God in His holy word tells me some will not repent. They will not heed or take warning but will hate Him all the more and persecute His people....

    Even so Lord Jesus, come.

    -RB
     
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    I think you'll find the only smug folks on the BB are those who say their side won. You seem to be judging your brothers and sisters on here who are concerned about wickedness in our country, to include g*y rights and senseless slaughter of the innocent unborn, too harshly.

    I have grandchildren. Do you think I want judgment on my grandchildren? There is a difference between wishing for judgment and warning that it is coming on this nation because we have kicked God out of our public places and our policies, and now we are on the final slide to hell and destruction. Could you possibly be one of those Christians who voted for their wallet instead of morality? Your own judgmental attitude begs the question, Brother. I pray God will deliver us from Evil, but IMO, the fact that Obama currently reigns and has done more damage to pro-life in 1 short week in office speaks volumes of evil to me. Perhaps you don't see that as evil. Well, we will just have to agree to disagree. To me, it is evil and the Bible says that hands that shed innocent blood are an abomination to Almighty God.

    My heart is sad. If you have bothered to read any of my posts about this topic, I have had a very heavy heart since the election. I have shed many tears because I know what is coming unless our new President repents for his evil and has a heart and attitude change. I fear God's Judgment. I see what has happened in the Bible when nations turned against God. If you think for a moment some of us are happy or filled with glee about it, you haven't bothered to read many of our posts over the past months and years. It is a sad day for America to see evil prevail.

    And the Bible also says that God will hold the evil in derision. God is Love but He is a God of Righteousness and Justice and Judgment, too. It is very sad to see what the nation our Founding Fathers envisioned and founded on Biblical principles become a cariacature of their dreams, blood, sweat, tears, treasure, land, and sacrifices. One day, ALL will bow the knee, even the evil and wicked and arrogant, and proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord of ALL. Even the secular humanists and pompous political leaders will bow the knee to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
     
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    I deleted your comments and my responses to you, Ken, because they were off topic. If you wish to discuss that particular topic, please start a new thread. Thanks for your cooperation.
     
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    I for one Thank you for your post. I don't agree with Obama or what way this country has been headed for many years up to and including when Bush and Clinton was in office, however I trust in God to help us through.

    I applaud you for having the right attitude. For seeing things the way they really are in a clear manner.

    I am sure you and me (because I am agreeing with you) will be beat upon by some on this board, but the truth it the truth.

    The hate and anger seen on this board towards Bush and now Obama is just simply crazy and wrong.

    Thanks again for posting this, I am not a writer but you would have summed up exactly how I feel about this whole mess.
     

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