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National Strategy for Victory in Iraq

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by KenH, Nov 30, 2005.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    We do have to win and the longer we stay in Iraq the more our strength - in all areas - will be sapped.

    We also had Hurricane Katrina and the huge cost in taxpayer money for that since the November 2004 election. We only have so much in the way of resources.

    In order to defeat al Qaeda we need the support of the rest of the civilized world. We can act alone but we cannot succeed in this alone.
     
    #21 KenH, Dec 2, 2005
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    1. If we quit, we will lose, and the death toll and toll on the military will be far worse the next time.

    2. We are not alone. The British are with us, The Australians are with us, and the vast majority of the Iraqis are with us.

    3. The "civilized world" is too busy lining their pockets with oil for food deals and trying to weaken America to think about helping us. You will be waiting a long time if you are waiting for France to stand with us.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #22 Joseph_Botwinick, Dec 2, 2005
  3. KenH

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    1. We can't stay in Iraq forever or even for five more years without destroying our economy due to the huge federal budget deficits that would entail. We can't have guns and butter. We tried that during the Vietnam War and looked what happened to our economy during the 1970s-early 1980s.

    2. That's not enough. Look at how much cooperation there was in the Gulf War. There was significant burden sharing by a large number of countries, especially monetarily.

    3. Then we can't defeat al Qaeda if we don't have the civilized world cooperating with us.
     
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    If you were president, then I would agree with your third point...luckily, you're not. [​IMG]

    We can and will win the war as long as we don't quit. We are winning the war. The only thing that will bring defeat is if we cut and run like we did in Vietnam. The consequences of rolling over and dying will be severe, and the next time we go Iraq 10 years from now, it will be far worse than it is now.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #24 Joseph_Botwinick, Dec 2, 2005
  5. KenH

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    So you don't agree that there was significant burden sharing during the Gulf War?

    So you don't agree that the guns and butter policy of President Johnson started our economy on a down hill slide that lasted until the early 1980s?
     
    #25 KenH, Dec 2, 2005
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    Ken,

    I disagree with you on this one. Vietnam was not a disaster because we didn't have a timetable to disengage. It was a disaster because the military wasn't allowed to do what it would take to win the war, because politicians were picking targets--and because the anti-war Left was successful in weakening us at home. If we laid out a timetable, why would any reasonable set of terrorists not sit back, wait for the pullout and then wage all-out war? I believe the military is doing things right, by fighting a war by objectives (e.g., bringing up combat-ready Iraqi battalions) rather than a schedule.
     
    #26 fromtheright, Dec 5, 2005
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    Hopefully we won't have to invade those countries. They probably see that we aren't so evil that they must start killing us.
    Or there are plenty of evil peoples in their region that need killing.
    Those Americans fight back too hard.     </font>[/QUOTE]I'd be happy going along with any pretext the globalists can come up with for the USA to invade Syria or Iran, I just hope they find a better forger and a 'source' that hasn't been convicted of bank fraud for their intell needs this time.

    Don't give up hope yet though, Eurasia can still be ours for the taking if we play our pretexts right. Uzbekistan...drool, drool. [​IMG]
     
    #27 poncho, Dec 6, 2005
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    FTR,

    I disagree with you on this one. We didn't lose because of the Left; we lost because the goal was to have the South Vietnamese win and we couldn't make them win.

    I'm not convinced that we can make the "right" Iraqis win either or that it would be anything other than a puppet government if we did. It's my understanding that the current elected Iraqi officials are calling for a timetable for when they will be "real".

    The goal of the war has been shifted several times since the beginning. That does not bode well.
     
    #28 Daisy, Dec 7, 2005
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