NCAA Bans Indian names, logos

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  1. robycop3

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    On Friday, ASug.5, the NCAA announced that, starting in February 2006, it would ban the use of any nick or logo THEY considered ethnically hostile or abusive. This HAS to be one of their more idiotic decisions. I believe a member of the Seminole Council described it best by saying this is yet another case of non-Indians deciding what's best for Indians. (Fl.State has long worked with the Seminoles in determining what logos, mascots, and regalia would be honoring to the Seminoles, including naming their mascot after Chief Osceola, the most famous Seminole.)

    As for the name "Indian" and other European names for them...Columbus, believing he'd reached India, called the people he saw "Indians". He wasn't being insulting; he honestly believed these people were citizens of the nation of India. Sitting Bull, that most-thoroughly-Sioux of the Sioux, called himself an Indian. Once, when some other tribes were mentioned to him by a news reporter, snorted, "Indians, HMMFF! There are no Indians left but ME!" (The name "Sioux" itself is a FRENCH name, that people's own name for themselves is "LAKOTA".)

    Most Indians accepted the name "Indian" because they believed it to be the Europeans' name for their people, just as Europeans accepted the equivalent of "pale face".(I do NOT use the term "Native American" because it's WRONG! "America" is the name given to these continents by EUROPEANS who recognized the cartography of AMERIGO Vespucci.(1451-1512...To this day, Amerigo is still a very common italian surname.) I stick with the old "Indian", or, to confuse any New-Age-Liberal who may be polluting our presence, "Continental Aboriginal".

    Here's the list of nicks the NCAA finds offensive as of Friday:

    Alcorn State University (Braves)
    Central Michigan University (Chippewas)
    Catawba College (Indians)
    Florida State University (Seminoles)
    Midwestern State University (Indians)
    University of Utah (Utes)
    Indiana University-Pennsylvania (Indians)
    Carthage College (Redmen)
    Bradley University (Braves)
    Arkansas State University (Indians)
    Chowan College (Braves)
    University of Illinois (Illini)
    University of Louisiana-Monroe (Indians)
    McMurry University (Indians)
    Mississippi College (Choctaws)
    Newberry College (Indians)
    University of North Dakota (Fighting Sioux)
    Southeastern Oklahoma State University (Savages)

    I hope Fl. State and the Seminole people successfully sue the NCAA & that the NCAA replaces those New-Age-Liberal members!
     
  2. Alcott

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    If the NCAA bans 'Indian' mascots at tournaments, one suggestion would be for the fans to show up all dressed like the mascot and see if they think that's preferable.
     
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    "How the **** can 'the Chiefs' be offensive to Indians when 'chief' isn't even an Indian word?" - Glenn Beck 8/11/05

    "That's just great. The same liberals who complain about the white man telling Indians what to do are now the white men who are telling the Indians what to do!" - Glenn Beck 8/11/05

    Since Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin are the names of Indian tribes, does this mean that the NCAA is going to make those schools change their names?

    Instead of wasting their time being condescending to the Indians and telling them what they should be offended by, why don't they put some of that energy into fixing the corrupt BCS system?

    Auburn fans will not forget.
     
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    Why don't they try to make the STATES change their names.

    I live near the OHIO(Indian name)River, in the state of OHIO(Indian name). I useta live near the POTOMAC(Indian name)River. I useta drive a PONTIAC(Indian name).

    Lessee...How many states have Indian names?

    Alaska - Great Land
    Alabama - Thicket Clearers
    Arizona - Silver Slabs
    Arkansas - Down Stream People
    Connecticut - Upon The Long River
    Idaho - Sunrise, It Is Morning
    Illinois - Men Or Great Men
    Indiana - Land Of The Indians
    Iowa - Drowsy People
    Kansas - People Of The South Wind
    Kentucky - Hunting Ground
    Dakota - Related People
    Oregon - Beautiful Water
    Massachusetts - Great Hill
    Michigan - Great Water
    Mississippi - Father Of Water
    Missouri - Long Canoe People
    Minnesota - Sky Tinted Water
    Nebraska - Flat Water
    New Mexico - Aztec God Mexitili
    Ohio - Beautiful Valley
    Oklahoma - Land Of The Red Man
    Texas - Tejas Or Allies
    Tennessee - From Chief Tannassie
    Utah - Those Who Dwell High Up
    Wisconsin - Where Waters Gather
    Wyoming - Great Plain

    And here are a few places with Indian names:

    Allegheny - Fairest River
    Savannah - Grassy Plain
    Passaic - Peace Valley
    Natchez - Hurrying People
    Pensacola - Hairy People
    Okeechobee - Grassy Lake
    Appalachian - Appalachee Indians
    Appomattox - Tobacco Country
    Alaska - Great Country
    Rappahannock - Quick Rising River
    Milwaukee - Rich Land
    Tippecanoe - Buffalo Fish
    Mississinewa - Water On A Slope
    Ottawa - Trade Or Exchange
    Chattanooga - Eagles Nest
    Topeka - Potato Country
    Roanoke - Shell Or Shells
    Chillicthe - Town Or Village
    Toronto - Meeting Place
    Chickamauga - River Of Death
    Tuscaloosa - Black Warrior
    Peoria - Place Of Fat Beats
    Kenosha - Long Fish, "Pike"
    Chautauqua - Foggy Place
    Saginaw - Pouring Out At Mouth
    Omaha - Up Stream
    Chesapeake - Salty Pond
    Cashocton - Habitat Of Owls
    Scioto - Hairs In River
    Mackinac - Turtle Island
    Potomac - Burning Pines
    Tacoma - Big Snow Mountain
    Canada - Collection Of Wigwams
    Saskatchewan - Swift River
    Kokomo - Black Walnut
    Muncie - Strong Place
    Chicago - Wild Onions
    Wabash - White, Flat Rocks
    Kalamazoo - Otter's Trail
    Shawnee - Southerners
    Tecumseh - Shooting Star
    Oshkosh - Claws Or Scratches
    Nantucket - Far Away
    Penobscot - Rocky Place
    Niagara - Thundering Water
    Wasatch - Beautiful
    Yosemite - Grizzly Bear
    Tucson - Black Base
    Schuglkill - Hidden Creek
    Mankato - Green Earth
    Lycoming - Sandy Stream
    Rearearge - High Place
    Kaibab - On The Mountain
    Winamac - Mudfish, Catfish
    Merrimac - Swift Stream
    Suwannee - Echo River
    Walla Walla - Many Waters
    Shenanoah - Hillside Stream
    Lackawanna - Streams That Fork
    Suequehanna - Pure Water
    Muskegon - Plenty Of Fish
    Muskingun - Moose-Eye River
    Saratoga - Sparkling Place
    Tallahassee - Old Town
    Keokuk - Watchful Fox
    Rearearge - High Place
    Kaibab - On The Mountain
    Winamac - Mudfish, Catfish
    Merrimac - Swift Stream
    Suwannee - Echo River
    Walla Walla - Many Waters
    Shenanoah - Hillside Stream
    Lackawanna - Streams That Fork
    Suequehanna - Pure Water
    Muskegon - Plenty Of Fish
    Muskingun - Moose-Eye River
    Saratoga - Sparkling Place
    Tallahassee - Old Town
    Keokuk - Watchful Fox

    Why didn't anyone ask any INDIANS whether or not any of these names are viewed by them as an insult ?
     
  5. 4His_glory

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    We may as well stop using Spanish names too since that my be offensive to some illegals. :rolleyes:

    While were at it, I am offended by the word "Buckeye". :D
     
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    Oh yeah, well I'm offended be "wolverine". Like there ever was a man with blades coming out of his hands...stupid x-men! [​IMG]
     
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    Oh yeah, well I'm offended be "wolverine". Like there ever was a man with blades coming out of his hands...stupid x-men! [​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]At least a wolverine is better than a worthless nut like a buckeye. [​IMG]
     
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    "Savages" and possibly "Redmen," IMO, are the only truly offensive terms on the chopping block.
     
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    I'd really get a kick out of it if one of the teams renamed themselves the "Caucasians" in protest. :D
     
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    LOL
    Well said!
    Faithgirl46
     
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    Let's hear it for us pastel people!
     
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    I think the schools in question should rename their institutions so their initials are N.C.A.A.
    (North Carolina Accademic Academy etc.) and then pick a mascot like a skunk, a snake or Mule (or mule's close kin).
    The NCAA Skunks sound fitting to me.
     
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    When are they going to ban the "Angels" baseball team name? I'm sure it's offensive to some religious group somewhere, ain't it?
     
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    The NCAA has completly lost their minds.

    We have the NBA raiding the college basketball game of its best basketball players, sometimes even before they make it to campus, and the horribly flawed BCS "national championship" situation in college football, and yet these clowns have nothing better to do with their time then produce sheer lunacy such as this.

    And I thought Miles Brand was going to be good for the NCAA.

    Mike
     
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    The New-Age-Liberals have invaded the NCAA while ignoring REAL probs some nations of Indians have, such as alcoholism or having been forced to live on worthless land...or the worst, the attempts of well-meaning bureaucrats to make palefaces outta them.

    These people just don't believe naming anything after an Indian nation or an Indian individual could possibly be HONORING those named.

    The famous Shoshoni chief Washakie was honored by the fed. Govt. with a medal bearing his likeness. When presented with the medal, he stood silently for a few moments. When asked if he had anything to say, he remained silent a few moments more as a tear ran down his face. He then said, "When a white man is honored, he speaks with his mouth. When an Indian is honored, he speaks with his HEART."

    The applause lasted over 10 minutes.
     
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    You bring up a point (slightly) [​IMG]

    What about teams who have the name "Crusaders"? Holy Cross comes to mind. Are these schools next?
     
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    The NCAA is backing off its original press statement, largely in part due to the overwhelming support of the FSU Seminole, including support from Governor Bush.

    Plus the NCAA in their attempt at political correctness got caught NOT looking at the facts - the Seminole Tribe of Florida has actually endorsed the Seminole as the official mascot of FSU.

    From what I understand, FSU goes out of its way (and rightly so) to work with the tribe and treat the mascot with respect.

    Two examples -- all "Chief Osceolas" have to train with the Seminole tribe as to how to properly ride their horse and public appearances by the chief are very limited at anything other than a football game.

    Also, I understand that the Seminole Tribe of OK voted to approve this as well. However, it was one of the two dissenting votes in OK that contacted the NCAA to begin with.

    As a Floridian, I hope they keep the name.

    As a Hurricane, I hope they just keep the field goal kicker.
     
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    lol [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Read in this mornings paper that Florida will be allowed to keep the Seminole name. Now that the precedent has been set, will the NCAA be able to enforce the rule with the other affected teams?

    Bill
     
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    A college whose name has never been badmouthed...SHAWNEE STATE, in Portsmouth, OH. It's a nice school, built on land where once the Shawnee nation lived. There are a reasonable number of Indians representing several nations in this area, and i've never heard any of'em express disapproval.
     

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