New Age Bibles

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Gerhard Ebersoehn, Sep 23, 2008.

  1. Gerhard Ebersoehn

    Gerhard Ebersoehn
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2004
    Messages:
    8,869
    Likes Received:
    3
    I am confused. I do not understand, for example, the dispute between James White and G.A. Riplinger. It seems to me, Riplinger regards the KJV as a 'New Age Bible'?

    Can you simplify things for me, please.
    I think I side with Riplinger, but cannot make out what he actually means with 'New Age Bibles'. Was it a book he wrote? It is not even clear to me whether Riplinger defends the NIV or not, yet does he talk about "The new versions (that) destroy the meaning" of several Scriptures. Aren't 'New Age Bibles', 'the new versions'?
     
  2. annsni

    annsni
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,165
    Likes Received:
    368
    Riplinger only supports the KJV saying that ANY other version is a "perversion" and a "New Age Bible" that is corrupt and evil. James White is a man who has defended the other versions such as the NASB, NIV, etc. I have an excellent book from White called "The King James Only Controversy" and found it very informative. Apparently many KJVOliers don't even support Riplinger because of her venomous attacks on the other versions and those who believe in them.

    You can actually see a debate between the two of them on YouTube. Here is part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVXjw4jd61M and from there you can find the other 4 parts.
     
  3. Ed Edwards

    Ed Edwards
    Expand Collapse
    <img src=/Ed.gif>

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2002
    Messages:
    15,715
    Likes Received:
    0
    Here is some information BY THE PUBLISHER about NEW AGE VERSIONS (AVPublications, 1993) by Gail A. Riplinger

    http://www.avpublications.com/3_catalogue/nabv/nabv_html_tract.htm#anchor1086736


    quoting the cover:
    When malware that came with the voice handling software ate three of my computers (back then they ran $1800 down to $1200 new) I quit listening to sound bites on-line. I never picked up the habit.

    By contrast James R. White wrote THE KING JAMES ONLY CONTROVERSY (Bethany House Publishers, 1995) defends the above versions including the KJV. Brother James R. White has definately taken the moral high ground in this issue.
     
  4. EdSutton

    EdSutton
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2006
    Messages:
    8,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    First off, Mrs. Dr. Mrs. Gail A. Riplinger is a she, not a he.

    Second off, Dr. Riplinger is strictly a KJVO person, who 'attacks' the NIV as a Bible version, and includes it among the "New Age" Bible versions, which she does not support in any manner or form, since it is not the KJV. I assure you she does not defend the NIV, in any manner, that I'm aware of, at least.

    Third off, I would suggest that any Bible since the 1769 'Blaney" revision of the KJV, would be considered a 'New Age' Bible, by Dr. Riplinger.

    Fourth off, it is not necessary for you to continually 'yell', on the forum, as I have now pointed out to you at least four times.

    Incidentally, the last time I mentioned this was less than 6 hours ago, earlier today! How about 'knocking it off' the yelling, already?

    Ed
     
    #4 EdSutton, Sep 23, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 23, 2008
  5. Marcia

    Marcia
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Messages:
    11,139
    Likes Received:
    0
    Please don't side with Riplinger! I've read that book, "New Age Bibles" and it's full of holes! She has the weakest case ever against modern versions. Personally, I'd be embarrassed to have my name on that book.

    She tries to make some kind of case that the modern versions are New Age or New Age influenced. I was in the New Age for about 20 yrs and I can guarantee you 200% these Bibles are not New Age! Good grief! If they were, I would not read them. Nor would I be able to use them to prove the deity of Christ, the Trinity, that man is wicked, that man needs Christ, etc. -- all the things a New Ager would disagree with.
     
  6. Alive in Christ

    Alive in Christ
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2008
    Messages:
    3,822
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ed,

    Ed,

    What in the world are you talking about???

    The original poster DID NOT post in all caps with lots of exclamation marks. The post simply has a slightly larger text size. This site has several fonts and sizes available.


    :godisgood:
     
  7. Gerhard Ebersoehn

    Gerhard Ebersoehn
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2004
    Messages:
    8,869
    Likes Received:
    3
    Fine, thank you, everybody.
    I would also like to thank those of you who made no issue of my calling Ms Riplinger a Mr, but courteously informed me of better. In fact, I some time ago noticed Riplinger was a 'she', but forgot. After I posted, I remembered again, but thought it well to wait on your reactions, and from everyone it was just as I expected ... from every one ...

    Now as to the 'yelling' - which is off the subject, kindly tolerate a while --- Dear Ed Sutton, advise the Board to remove the convenience of the letter-sizes if it irritates you that much. I on my part shall thank the Board for the very useful and helpful tool at every one's free, disposal. Have you been a school-teacher before you began farming? Leave those habits; they are not needed or appreciated - speaking for myself, naturally. I am used to it.

    And most of the participants on this forum, do not think of themselves doctors in learning. I am an ex plumber, master of no trade whatso-ever, and the willing pupil of any man or woman my peer or lesser. I get obstinate and blindly blank the moment I must be taught by a superior. So cut it out. You are better than me, more knowledgable, and has better insight and are quicker to discern. You make me angry with jealousy; I shall not be taught by you. I would rather learn from men like Ed Edwards with whom I differ in things dogmatic, so much. Yet I find the man's attitude humble and amiable. I hate being taught from high over, however masterful the teacher.

     
  8. Gerhard Ebersoehn

    Gerhard Ebersoehn
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2004
    Messages:
    8,869
    Likes Received:
    3
    GE:
    I have started to read those articles. So far I find it difficult to summarily discard what Riplinger has to say -- so far as i have read. What at this stage has become quite obvious is Riplinger's matter-of-fact handling of the issues raised. So far as I have read she in every case refutes White with actual examples, stacked up seemingly irrefutably. Of course, it is not White's side I have read so far.

    Now why this subjuct interests me so much, is because we have another Ms here in South Africa, Erasmus. (O yes, she told me, "I'm not a sheep", because I called her 'Me', the Afrikaans for 'Ms'.) Our local 'Riplinger' I think, or perhaps 'Riplinger-wanna-be'. I don't know. I did not like the book she wrote, "Skrifgesag - Manuskripte en Vertalings" ('The Authority of the Scriptures - Manuscripts and Translations'). But cannot say for any reason but taste. We do not like to hear when we have been wrong.

    But I am sure Riplinger is no lonely voice against the 'New' or 'newer' translations in America? Surely she is not a school of her own?
     
  9. annsni

    annsni
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,165
    Likes Received:
    368

    No, she's certainly not in a school of her own but from what I can see of her "scholarship", she's very misleading, even deceptive in some cases. It is important to look to textual differences to see if her accusations are correct.
     
  10. FriendofSpurgeon

    FriendofSpurgeon
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2003
    Messages:
    3,052
    Likes Received:
    36
    It's interesting to note that our forefathers in the US (the Pilgrims) did not use the KJV as it was considered the "King's" Bible. It was dismissed by them and they used the Geneva Bible instead.

    I have seen others state that the KJV is an "inspired" translation for the English speaking people. Of course, there's no evidence for that. Personally, I think that borders on heresy. While I hope & expect that translators do their best and are indeed led by the Spirit, that is much different than the original authors being inspired.

    And what about the rest of the world that doesn't speak English?? Is there a special translation for them too -- or does God just have a "special" translation for us English speaking people? Those poor people who only speak Italian, Spanish, French, Japanese, Chinese, etc. -- too bad God doesn't have a "special" translation for them.

    It's rather ridiculuous & rather silly when you think about it.
     
  11. puros_bran

    puros_bran
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2008
    Messages:
    215
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think Dr Suess supports the Green Eggs and Ham(GEAH) version exclusively, or maybe he was opposed to the GEAH version.. Its so confusing.

    In the few weeks I've been looking at the issue, I've came to the conclusion that if WE had spent as much time preaching Christ and Him crucified as we have the ABC version over the CBA version we would be more in line with what we are supposed to be doing.
     
  12. Marcia

    Marcia
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Messages:
    11,139
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ms Riplinger fails to make her case. I hope you do read White, who soundly refutes arguments such as Riplinger's. There is no evidence for what Riplinger contends.



    She is not the only one who says this but those who agree have no credibilty among scholars, students of the bible, students of church history, or even solid, mature believers. The people who are like Riplinger like to sling mud and make baseless accusations.

    They are divisive as many of them believe you are not reading God's word if you do not read the KJV or that you may not even be a believer if you do not agree with them.
     
  13. EdSutton

    EdSutton
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2006
    Messages:
    8,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    If I offended you, I apologize, here. I would have said nothing had you announced in advance that you needed the larger print, in a clearer manner.

    I have no earthly idea why you would be jealous over a farmer and cab driver, however, unless you were driving in my area, or wanted to buy some hay for livestock, and I was not of a mind to sell any, as my nephew and I needed it for our own cattle, at that time.

    I am not, and have never been a school teacher, although my mother was for a while, prior to my dad getting sick, some 30+ years ago.

    FTR, while we are on the subject of attitude and respect, I believe I am the only person on this thread who referred to Dr. Gail A. Riplinger being a she, only as a matter of correction, and I know that I am the only person on this thread who has referred to her as Dr. Riplinger,

    She fully merits that title, since it was bestowed on her, by an institution. That title has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I agree with any premise or position she is advocating, FTR. (Nor does the use of that title say one thing about my personal esteem for an individual or my personal view of the granting institution. But a Doctorate granted - whether "earned" or "honorary", by any institution, from Oxford Univ., or one earned at the Univ. of So. Africa, or some previously institution, previously unknown to me school, still rates one given that honor, being addressed as "Dr.", and I normally do so, whenever I am aware of this. If this is 'talking down' or sounds like one attempting to teach "from high over" to anyone, I apologize.

    I give this, simply as information. I would suggest that some might consider giving those awared Doctorates a bit more credit, than I usually see on the Baptist Board.

    I do pray your vision improves to the point you will no longer need the larger font, for I desire to see you, as everyone, in health and prosper, just as did John. (III John 2)

    Incidentally I have made absolutely no claim to being superior to anyone, I have not claimed to have more knowledge, nor ever claimed to having better insight, than anyone else, that I recall. Whether or not you desire to be taught or learn of me, is you decision, I guess.

    Ed
     
  14. ajg1959

    ajg1959
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    0
    My father was legally blind (deceased now) and so are all of my uncles. They use caps and bigger text so that they can see what they are typing.

    You never know why folks may need to type in big bold letters and it might be considerate of them to just accept it instead of ridicule them.

    The idea that big text and bold letters is "yelling" is common among folks that live and breathe by their pc's. If the pc is your life, and you take caps as a personal attack, then maybe you should take a break from the computer and interact with real people for a while.

    Just a suggestion

    AJ
     
  15. Darron Steele

    Darron Steele
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2006
    Messages:
    1,327
    Likes Received:
    0
    Actually, Ms. Riplinger does not.

    Her so-called "doctorate" is an honorary doctorate granted by what is called an unaccredited college. An honorary doctorate is not a regular doctorate, but is bestowed as an honor.

    Accreditation assures all people concerned that the college has an appropriate level of rigor and quality, in order that degree earners can be assumed `up to par.' It separates colleges operated and taught by qualified people providing an appropriate education from institutions set up by the likes of `Joe No-Know.'

    Basically, an unaccredited college is one that does not meet the standards of rigor and quality required by regional accrediting agencies. The pieces of paper that they call diplomas do not represent degrees that
    1) all of higher education would accept as having any level of legitimacy,
    2) government or professional agencies that require credentials would accept as legitimate.
    In other words, it is a college only to itself and anyone else who voluntarily chooses to treat it as one and can get away with doing so. To everyone else, it is not a legitimate college.

    In other words, she is not entitled to be called "Dr. Riplinger." The institution granting the so-called "doctorate" does not have the authority to grant any such thing.

    As far as respect, to treat her as a colleague to genuine doctorate-holders would be bringing them down to a level far below the respect they deserve as experts. I wrote this post not to be mean to Ms. Riplinger, but to set the record straight.
     
    #15 Darron Steele, Sep 25, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 25, 2008
  16. EdSutton

    EdSutton
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2006
    Messages:
    8,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    I certainly have no problem with anyone having any physical problems,whatsoever, for I have a couple of my own. I fully expect that on a Board of this size, several have some physical problems of one sort or another, and probably several have multiple ones, far more numerous than I. I did apologize for not recognizing that the poster has problems seeing clearly, however.

    A simple statement to that effect, in the past, would have saved three mentions of that, by me. The original statement when I first asked about the reason for large print, contained a much different answer.

    I will say no more about this, at this time.

    Ed
     
    #16 EdSutton, Sep 25, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 25, 2008
  17. Gerhard Ebersoehn

    Gerhard Ebersoehn
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2004
    Messages:
    8,869
    Likes Received:
    3
    The wisdom of the Word of God! Says God, Where words abound, transgression is not wanting. (From my Afrikaans recollection.) I pray your forgiveness, Ed Sutton.

    It was long since I last came accross something so beautiful as this I cannot but share with you all,
    RUTH GERALDINE ASHEN CLASS OF 1931 It's a sad thing when a man is to be so soon forgotten And the shining in his soul gone from the earth With no thing remaining; And it's a sad thing when a man shall die And forget love which is the shiningness of life; But it's a sadder thing that a man shall forget love And he not dead but walking in the field of a May morning And listening to the voice of the thrush. — RGA, in A Yearbook of Stanford Writing, 1931 STANFORD UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES GIVEN BY EDWIN (I think "And he not dead" is a typing error, and should be, "And be not dead". May be not??) Anyway, I was not dead but walking in the field of a May morning And listening to the voice of the thrush, but forgot love!

    RE:
    "Her so-called "doctorate" is an honorary doctorate granted by what is called an unaccredited college. An honorary doctorate is not a regular doctorate, but is bestowed as an honor."

    GE:
    I but of late learned that my hero Karl Barth also never 'graduated' to Doctor!! And he told people whenever they made it look like he did.
     
    #17 Gerhard Ebersoehn, Sep 25, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 25, 2008
  18. Gerhard Ebersoehn

    Gerhard Ebersoehn
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2004
    Messages:
    8,869
    Likes Received:
    3
    Therefore, were Riplinger an ex-plumber or cab driver or Professor in Theology, it is WHAT she says, that counts.
    And I must be frank, I find her critique of the NIV and NASB - and others - just and justified, and properly researched and answered for.

    But she should stick to linguistics - her forte, obviously - and leave theology - obviously her weak spot! Her critique of James White for being a Calvinist, is quite comical.
     
  19. EdSutton

    EdSutton
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2006
    Messages:
    8,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    I am fully aware that the Doctorate of Dr. Gail A. Riplinger is an honorary doctorate. I am also aware that the doctorates of many other individuals are 'honorary', as well.

    Suppose I had mentioned, instead of Dr. Riplinger, an individual such as Dr. B. H. Carroll (Pastor, Theology Professor, Baylor University, Founding President of Southwestern Baptist Seminary, the largest in the world), Dr. H. A. Ironside (Noted Bible Teacher, Lecturer at Dallas Seminary, and Pastor of Moody Memorial Church), Dr. John Gill (English Baptist Pastor of the 18th Century, pastor of Horsleydown Church for 51 years, author of A Body of Divinity and to this day, stands as the only indivudual to write commentary on every verse in the Bible), Dr. Reuben A. Torrey (Evangelist, later served as Superntendent - equivalent to President - of what became Moody Bible Institute, also Pastor of both Moody Church, and Church of the Open Door, and Dean of Biola), Dr. Wilbur M. Smith (Pastor of Four Churches, Editor of Peloubet's Notes for almost 40 years, Professor at Moody, Fuller, and Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, Associate editor of the New Scofield Reference Bible), or Dr. Billy Graham, [Evangelist for more than 50 years, is thought to have preached in person to more individuals than anyone in history, Co-founder of Youth for Christ, youngest individual to ever serve as a sitting College President (Northwestern College) to this day] for six other examples, instead.

    Would you have offered the same opinion? Would you suggest these individuals also would 'lower' the standards? All these doctorates were also honorary, and only Dr. Torrey, had any training beyond a College Bachelor's degree (B.D.); Drs. Graham and Smith each only 'earned' a B.A., Dr. Carroll was a few months shy of his B.A., when he entered the Confederate Army during the Civil War, and Baylor awarded him that degree, anyway, saying his time served was 'worth more' than three additional months of classroom time would have been, Dr. Ironside did graduate from the 8th grade, and Dr. Gill had no formal schooling beyond the age of 11.

    Please forgive me, if I do not think these served to lower any standards, rather I would say they raised them to a fairly lofty level. Incidentally, I could rather easily add another score of individuals along these same lines. I suggest it is the individual, that is the difference, hence I have no problem with calling any individual by that title, when it has been bestowed.

    Ed
     
  20. EdSutton

    EdSutton
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2006
    Messages:
    8,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    I fully agree that it is what Dr. Riplinger (or anyone else) says, that counts.

    Actually, Dr. Riplinger's academic 'training' is in the field of Interior Design (B.A.), Home Economics (M.A.), and Art (M.F.A.) with some additional post graduate study at Cornell and Harvard, according to her biography.

    Ed
     

Share This Page

Loading...