Gal. 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now Wouldn't denial of the new birth prior to the cross make Paul's comparison meaningless? Wouldn't those who deny the new birth prior to the cross be forced to directly contradict Paul's words "as then...even so it is now"? Is there a THIRD type of human being that is neither born "after the flesh" or "after the Spirit"? If this is merely a different way of describing the physical birth of Isaac from the physical birth of Ishmael then how could that be applicable "as then....even so IT IS NOW"?